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Christian Brescia 00:02
Hey everybody and welcome back to another episode of Monday as of Monday, hi Mindy.
Mindy Cohn 00:07
Hi Christian. Today we are so thrilled to welcome the wonderfully talented stand up comedian, actor and writer. Patton Oswald. Patton began performing stand up in 1988. After writing for mad TV and starring in his first of many comedy specials, he went on to garner notable roles in film and television, including his long running role on the King of Queens. And in 2007, Patton got his first starring role as the voice of Remi in the Oscar winning animated film ratchathewi. Other work includes roles in Magnolia 21, Jump Street, Zoo Ender, and young adult among many others. And we met and work together while shooting on Daniel waters film sex and depth one on one, which is you know, with just a box office blockbuster. Other television work included numerous guest roles and a regular role in Showtime's, the United States of Tara and agents of the shield as well as currently narrating the TV show The Goldbergs and starring in peacocks AP bio, with an impressive list of voiceover credits as well as patents most recent can be heard on hulu's mad oak patent also has had six stand up specials, I should say, televised in some way. Yeah, and it's won an Emmy and Grammy for the Best Comedy Album. His latest I love everything is currently airing on Netflix and was nominated for another Primetime Emmy. Patton was married to the true crime writer and journalist Michelle McNamara and they had a daughter together. She died in her sleep in 2016, attributed to an undiagnosed heart problem and a complication from ingested medications. Patton was instrumental in finishing her book, I'll be gone in the dark, which later became the extraordinary documentary also available on HBO and HBO Max, if you haven't seen it. It's amazing. It's basically Michelle's. All of her years and years of work. The case involved a serial killer who had run amok in the Sacramento area of California, and the book was based on and he was caught in large part to all of Michelle's work research and efforts. In 2017 Pat married actress and my darling friend Meredith Salinger. They have a new podcast Did you get my text patent is currently on tour with his new stand up work, who's ready to laugh? I am, and just wrapped a new feature which will be released later thisyear.
Christian Brescia 02:38
That's amazing. That's quite a history he's got.
Mindy Cohn 02:40
He's a worker.
Christian Brescia 02:41
Yeah, I'll say, ladies and gentlemen, we are really excited to welcome to the show Patton Oswald.
Mindy Cohn 02:49
hi, welcome. Welcome.
Patton Oswalt 02:52
Mindy Cohn 02:53
Yes, thank you. Thank you. Oh, and here comes the smack across the face. Good morning.
Patton Oswalt 03:02
That could not have been more my welcome, Pat. Welcome, like, learning the language as you're speaking to me.
Mindy Cohn 03:09
Yes. It's very much in tandem with mo doc. You. Oh, yes. Yes, very much. Nice. Shameless plug. Mindy. You're welcome. You. We start off with just Christian I came up with 20 random questions. We asked you five. It's just a way to start a conversation or somehow that's never really been an issue with you. So Patton among your friends? What are you best known for? Among my friend? Yes,
Patton Oswalt 03:36
yeah, that's less than a good way to phrase it. I think I'm best known for being the guy the front of the group who if we start down a rabbit hole about movies or pop culture without me trying to I can't help it. I will end up copying everyone or going that extra level down, you know, into obscurity and completely useless trivia. If someone thinks they have totally useless trivia, I have something way more useless. Sitting in my head somewhere.
Mindy Cohn 04:04
Okay, well, I don't find any of your trivia useless. friggin fascinating that you know so much about things that I love so much, Chairman movies. Thank you.
Christian Brescia 04:14
I'd love to put you in a room with my good friend Scott. He's very, very similar in the sense that like, as soon as I think I've got a one up on him, I'm like, he can't I know this. He's like, no. And I'm like, yeah, it's insane. Fascinating. Yeah.
Mindy Cohn 04:27
Um, what do you do when you get stuck creatively? Do you do anything specific? Or do you have tricks? Or do you just let it pass? Well, I do have to wait, can I interrupt you and start I want to ask this. I say do you write every day?
Patton Oswalt 04:42
I try to write every day but when I say write every day, I try to at least create something every day sometimes it's a joke. So that's it's a scene from Yeah, I tried to write something down everyday to keep those muscles going to keep it in motion basically.
Mindy Cohn 04:55
Okay, smart. Yeah. All right. So now you may answer my question.
Patton Oswalt 04:59
Wow. The The way you phrase that question, yes, I do have a lot of tricks and stuff that I use, but then the one you ended up with, or do you just let it pass? That's actually my main go to is don't get focused on the jam or whatever clog you're in, go live your life a little bit, and then hope that it unclogs itself. I feel like if you focus on unclogging, the clog, then that becomes the focus of the creativity rather than the creativity.
Mindy Cohn 05:23
Yeah, well, no. So I guess I asked the question do you write every day, it helps that you do that, because you don't get to self obsessed or do in the day? Oh, I
trust me, I still get self obsessed, I still get precious about things, I still have that problem with starting. Because when you really think about it, you can start sloppily, because you can totally fix it later. And a lot of times I get in that mindset of I will set pen to paper when it is perfect. No, you can let it be dumb, and then it'll start to focus itself.
Mindy Cohn 05:51
Yeah. In regard to your stand up, do you come up to something come into your brain of like, okay, that's the title of it, or that's gonna be the opening stick of mine. And I don't mean to say stick in a negative that doesn't have a negative connotation. No, she's
fantastic. Um, you know, I wish I could say that I could sit and write jokes, I write premises and ideas and areas I want to explore. Unfortunately, my best writing happens on stage, which has been that was one of the things that was really rough during the shutdown, made it very hard watching Bo Burnham's inside because some of those scenes where he's crying, I realizing that there are moments when you don't have the audience to push against. I don't know if I'm funny, or if I'm doing anything, and it just feels after a while it feels so empty and hollow, it can get scary.
Mindy Cohn 06:36
Okay, even now, patent after all these years of you doing it, and I just You're funny. You have an amazing sense of humor. Yeah, you legitimately are telling me like you don't know when you're being funny. Like you don't know when you hit gold? No, no, there's
like, I know when I've hit gold. But unfortunately, I know when I hit gold, when I'm in front of an audience, that reaction, if I'm just sitting in a vacuum, with my notebook, writing and thinking, there are times that I think, look, because there are things in the past that I've written down going, Oh, my God, I just nailed it. And then I sat on stage. And it's like, what in the other times when I think something's kind of a half idea. And I don't quite know they're still Yeah, and the laugh come from it being a half idea. They'll laugh, I actually find more humanity in not being able to find something completely brilliant about it. Like the fact that it's stopped me up short, weirdly connects with the audience, because you're like, I've also been stopped up short by that thing.
Mindy Cohn 07:32
Yeah, that's also such a big you're an actor. So I mean, that's, you know, to me, that's so much when I see your work. I'm the actor in you, which is loosened and you know, has improv at the tip of your fingers. I mean, you're able to not be as you said, so precious about something. Yes. If you're if you're taking if you're tacking.
Yes, exactly. Like again, one of the funniest things I've ever seen on stage. There's a comedian named. Oh my God, why am I blanking on his name? JOHN, Papa. And yeah, yeah. And my god, he does a bit about people who don't eat bread know how crazy people are their diets, right? Just as much like to the bit he goes, and there are people who don't eat bread, and then he pauses because they don't eat like to joke is that I don't have a joke about this. I'm just trying to, like you need to say to themselves so that it makes sense. It's so the audience connects so hard. Like, there are those things that are so ridiculous, like, why am I even writing a joke about? I am stopped short by this thing. I love that. I just love that.
Mindy Cohn 08:33
Yeah, I mean, speaking of just because we're all wrong. Oh my God, why don't I say john Piper, Tom. Papa. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Well, I said yes. Oh. By the way, congratulations on these like sellout shows and you're having to do with putting another one in Washington, DC. And another one in Austin. I mean, up k Oh, I mean,
to sell out to paramount in Austin. A huge room and that was especially like post pandemic that feels really, really good. And also, the Kennedy Center in DC, my God, oh my God.
Mindy Cohn 09:10
And I just say I'm compelling. I'm a little proud. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, this is nature.
Christian Brescia 09:15
I got chills about it. Like that's why
Mindy Cohn 09:17
I also think people are so not that they're desperate. But I think people are so ready to be in a group and laugh together.
I can Eve absolutely just connect. I needed as badly as the audience needs. I need to get out. I did. Um, one of the last episodes of Conan what she filmed in the lobby, here in LA, it was a half filled audience because of COVID restrictions, but still walking out and seeing people sitting there like I almost burst into tears. I couldn't
Mindy Cohn 09:42
well, especially that room at such a historical place in Los Angeles. For those who are listening or watching the don't know, Largo is I would dare to say these spots.
Yeah, in Los Angeles. It's pretty special for especially for comedy, right? Yeah, yeah. It's the
Mindy Cohn 09:59
best Patent what assumption do people make about you? That's wrong? Oh, um,
I think one of the assumptions that people make about me that's wrong is that I am because I work so much, I must be a part of the quote unquote, hollywood elite or part of this world that they see in, like TMZ will Well, he must go to premieres and clubs are like my preferred way of living is just to either go to the new Beverly or go to a cafe, or go to a diner somewhere and read. Yeah, I do not all that. And, yes, I get invited to premieres and they're so annoying. I just want to go see the movie. I don't want to do all of it out, talking to people and getting, I don't care about that. I just let me go and see the movie. That's all I want to go do. And then I want to go home.
Mindy Cohn 10:46
Yes. Well, I, I will say what also adds to this, I think assumption about you, and I get it a lot too, is I just think if you've been around longer than a decade, and put, you know, a lot of numbers in front of for both of us. Yeah. A lot of people and so especially on social media, it can really seem like you are jet setting around with the bumpy button. Right. And you're not.
And also, we've we've both had, I mean, I'm sure you've all had your moments where some people do jetset with the bone vivo, or they rush up against it. And it actually, they like it and it's their world and other time like people like me, and I'm assuming you Yeah, we've also brushed up against that wall and gone. Oh, boy, is this not me. I love acting. I love doing it. But then I'd like to go home and you know, do a crossword puzzle. That to me is happening.
Mindy Cohn 11:36
Yes, like have a real, real, real real life, but just very humdrum, which is so attractive to me. Oh,
it's so great. Yeah, I remember there was the lead singer of Judas Priest in the 80s. And we're talking him because on stage, it's dark leather and studs and fire and the end the devil. And then in his normal life, he's like, I live in a suburban Arizona and I go to dinner with my friends and I have a very quick because if I live that life all the time that you see me on this thing, I'd say I'd be dead. I wouldn't be alive. Like, I need to quietly he goes, I like he goes, What I really like doing is taking the trash can down to the curb. And leaving it like that, to me is like so great. I love that like, like, silly secret Judas Priest. Take the garbage out this week,
Mindy Cohn 12:26
the anti rock star, like your life,
you put all that craziness up on stage. That's for two hours. I can't live that way. 24 seven, it would kill Yes.
Mindy Cohn 12:36
So I wonder if you can relate to this. You know, I have a face that my friends call it resting smiley face. When really, I'm just not that nice in real life. But, um, or don't care. I think I have a face that looks like I'm interested. And I'm, which is so rude. But um, you know, the familiarity people have with you. Or the fact that people think you are funny. 24 seven are that expectation? You can ask my wife? I know that I have this conversation with Rainn Wilson all the time. Oh, yeah. You know,
where people just have this expectation will also I think it's a function of social media. And I'm sure you've gotten this to where, because people interact with you on social media. And then when they see you in real life, they feel like they're just continuing a conversation that the two of you have already been having you like, we weren't talking. I don't know, though. Like, I never thought of that. Yeah, you're like, No, no, we weren't actually having a conversation. You were saying I like that. That was a funny joke. Thank you. But I'm like, we're not like friends. We don't hang out. I don't want to tell you. I don't know you. And there's a time like, you know, even in the 80s you couldn't just get on social media and send someone you couldn't tell Frank Sinatra when's your next album coming out? Man, you know, even to give you like a thumbs up emoji that just it's insane.
Mindy Cohn 13:53
Yeah, a great immediacy. I remember writing letters to someone if their performance was amazing. And you know, three weeks later, later, I would get something back, like, thank you so much, or whatever, right? And now it's just a heart and I, you know, have an explosion that so and so like, like, to my work or something, right. It's like, Oh, my God. Wow, what? Yeah, yeah, um, did where you grow up, or how you grew up, develop your creative, aesthetic, however you define that?
Absolutely. And it's because I grew up in the 70s and 80s, in the very, very boring suburbs of Northern Virginia, where you just did not, I was not lacking in love. I was not lacking in friends. But what I was lacking in was access to things to alleviate my boredom. So you had to create, like, I didn't have a screen in my hands where I could just pull something out of the ether and watch it or, you know, movies and music. Were not readily available. You had to go find it. You had to go find people that would point you toward the cool stuff. So, you know, I talked about growing up in outside of DC in the 80s my friends like oh, you look so you saw like black flag. One minor threat and bad brands like I was never able, there was no bus that went into the city from where I lived. To get it all secondhand, we had to try to invent it. So there was a very much like we you invent the cool stuff, because you can't just go find it. You have to go and
Mindy Cohn 15:14
yeah, were you more as a kid into movies or television?
Well, I was into movies, but the only place I could see them was television, unless my parents would drive me to the mall, but the mall was like, whatever the recent movie was. It was Saturday afternoons was there was a monster movie on sell a film on super late and catch something. There was also that great like, you'd stay up super late. And like, Benny Hill was on in there for like half a breast you like, oh my god. Yeah.
Mindy Cohn 15:44
I remember, you know, love American style. And I thought I was watching porn. Yeah, yes, exactly. It's Yeah, God, I can't believe I'm seeing this. So you know, that was always amazing. For those of you who don't know, love American style, I hate you all. And I feel the gray hair growing out of my chin. There you go. Um, okay, I think this might be a tough one for you. So I apologize in advance. Okay. Who is the most fascinating person you've met? you've, you've been in the company of many my friend. Oh, boy.
I mean, you know, and worked with them, and worked with them. My knee jerk reaction would be someone like I was I got to be friends with Harlan Ellison, who was a huge science fiction writer, and very, very influential on a lot of the culture that we enjoy today. Oh, yeah. Granted, he was the one that kind of pushed that through in the 60s and 70s. And then, you know, through him, I got to meet Robin Williams, and knew him near the end of his life and who, again, a genuinely brilliant and fascinating guy to talk to just in terms of like, not just the jokes, the life experiences that that guy had were saying, it really kills me that he never got a chance to do like a one man show something on Netflix or HBO, where he drops the whole Robin energy thing and goes, Alright, let me tell you about this movie that like the stories that he had were nuts. It was so incredibly fascinating. So yeah, that kind of stuff.
Mindy Cohn 17:08
Yeah, I remember my conversation with him was actually about acting, and it sort of like blew my pants off because he was so well trained, and well versed in theatre and productions. And he started naming these things. And I'm just like, Oh, my God, like, the real deal that people didn't. He didn't expose that part of himself. Other people did. who worked with him? Yeah. He wasn't really a self promoter in that aspect.
No, and he was a genuinely brilliant actor. Like, genuinely amazing. Um, you know, the movie that ever talks about Oh, one hour photo, he plays this really creepy villain, so on Robin is great. But the one that blows me away is the Christopher Nolan remake of insomnia where he's this psycho killer. But he's being the charming, funny, Robin Williams, and you realize that level of charm was put towards evil, it would be really, really dangerous, because he's such a charming winning magnetic personality. Yes, using it. And it's just that movie is so unsettling for me. And it's such a brilliant performance. Well,
Mindy Cohn 18:15
it's so interesting that you talk about that one specifically, because it's really the moment where I said to myself, at some point, I want to play a psychotic, right, like, as an actor, right. It's, it's challenged, but it also is like such. Yeah, for the audience's who know you is one thing. Yeah, kinda.
It's interesting, too, that like a lot of people. I think when they play psychos, or someone who is psychopathic, they think it has to be very flat and unaffected. psychopaths are first really very charming. That's one of the that's one of the ways they used to survive. They are very, very charming, and friendly and fun. And that's what's dangerous about them.
Mindy Cohn 18:54
Yes. You know, takes one to know one. Yeah, yeah. That's the whole point. And they're brilliant. And they're Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah.
I mean, look, Joe Pesci in Goodfellas is, first of all, a very funny, charming character. You're like, this guy's really fun to hang out. Oh, God, he just beat that guy up. And they will try to make another joke. You're like, okay, but like, it's just so Savage.
Mindy Cohn 19:17
Yeah, Savage. Yeah. What is the last couple things that you've been shown that you're like, Oh, this is everything, and more. And by the way, I'm a little jealous that you got to see the season two of Ted last Oh, cuz that's one of the things that I literally don't want to kill hump, my television.
That ended we got to see the first two episodes. I'm so jealous. It's so good. That was one of those shows that I did again, I remember seeing the premise seeing the trailer going, Oh, yeah, it's, it's a hick guy, and he's looking stuck. I get it. That's one joke and you don't realize that it's a launch pad for all of this brilliant stuff that you do not see coming?
Mindy Cohn 19:54
Well. So to me, the biggest thing about actors that kind of I get obsessed with is earnestness. Yes. And the earnestness of those characters makes you want to cry.
Yeah. And no one is a villain. No one's a hero. Everyone's flawed and they're struggling and trying anyway, I could go on about that. But in a similar vein, yeah, another show that I slept on. For the same reason I just caught up into it in a day. binged It was a show on FX called Dave that I've never seen a trailer. Okay, awkward Jewish guy who wants to be a rapper. I've seen that joke a million times. I don't know how this is the show. It is a show about everything. It's about relationships, mental health. I cannot get over how it's like Dave is the filthy mouth cousin of Ted Lascaux amazing. positivity and people trying to make connections and believing in yourself. It is just there are episodes that made me cry. That legit made me cry while I was also laughing my ass off. Yes, yes. So I can't believe how good it is. Love. So if you like Ted lassa, you should go watch Dave.
Mindy Cohn 21:02
Okay, well do I mean, it's I just read it down. So I mean, highly recommended. I'm doing it. I'm doing a deep dive. Um, who do you want to work with that? You haven't? Oh, my God? That's a horrible question. By the way.
I mean, I mean, look, there's people that I want to work with, almost beyond wanting to like me being on camera with them. It's like, I almost want to work with them just to get to watch how they work. So, you know, when I was named Shaun Baker, I would love to work with Shaun Baker and see how he puts his movies together. He made the Florida project and tangerine. Yeah. Yeah.
Mindy Cohn 21:36
By the way, about Edgar Wright. I'm sort of always been very obsessed with him.
I mean, I'm friends with him. And I'm in the sparks documentary. But how but day to day, how do you construct those shots? I would want to just sit on the set and just watch him, you know, beyond the movie. Yeah. How does he pull that off? Yeah. Also close out. I don't know if you've seen Nomad land, or especially the rider. Yeah,
Mindy Cohn 22:04
I have. I've seen all her work. Incredibly unusual. I mean, I don't even she's just incredibly unique and special. I don't know how else to say it.
Um, and I'd also really, really love to work with this couple called The Addams Family. The guy's name is john adams. He was an ex model now an actor and director and his wife is of character actress named Toby poser. Oh, I don't know, Toby.
Mindy Cohn 22:32
I don't know her. But I know who she is, oh, my god, she's brilliant.
She and her husband and their daughter.
Mindy Cohn 22:38
I didn't know that she was married or anything about
her. They're like a little mini collective. And they make these incredible films that they just kind of shoot themselves acting themselves right at themselves. They are gorgeous, gorgeous movies. They made a horror movie a few years ago called the deeper you dig that is scary as it is it also beautiful. And then they make a movie distributed themselves, then they'll just go on a weird adventure like a rented camper van or something and drive across the country and get inspiration for whatever the next thing they want to do is, and their movies are brilliant. And I would love to see how they put them together. They're just everything they make is incredible.
Mindy Cohn 23:16
Amazing. So where are you going to make a film? soon?
That's kind of what my focus is now is to get a movie made?
Mindy Cohn 23:23
Oh my gosh, that makes me so happy. I really can ask that in thinking your answer that makes me really happy.
I want to start making movie once the directing stuff. And also what's really great is now I watch a lot of these streaming services. So there's channels like shutter and arrow and where not only did they show shutter, which started off as a horror movie streaming service has become this insane launching pad for young filmmakers that Yeah, they're making horror movies, right? A lot of they're just using them to deliver as a smuggling apparatus to talk about another issue that you can't just talk about straight out, they hide it in a horror movie. But then they also show like short films and these weird there's a series on on a shutter called dead waxed. It's like eight episodes 11 minutes a piece about this weird haunted record that apparently killed it, but it brilliantly shot clearly for no money. They had to say let's just go shoot it. So there's, there's just this thing now of like, I have this great idea. I'm just gonna go shoot it, there will be a platform for it. Someone will see it now. Like, it just feels really cool that way. You know,
Mindy Cohn 24:26
it's kind of amazing. Well, you know, I always think it was say that soap opera actors are, you know, just actors on steroids as far as like how much you know, memory and memorization and every day and right it's kind of the unsung heroes of the acting world. And I always say horror movie writers and directors really don't get their just desserts.
Well now that I think they're starting to because I think people are beginning to realize that Oh, the artistry, not only artistry but the big issue stuff that a lot of Oscar craving stuff does is done way better in these little movies, the movie that came out last year that I just saw called Riders of justice. It is a Danish film. And it starts off like every Liam Neeson revenge flick. That's it. And it clearly is having a lot of fun. Its first act is like every this guy's wife is killed, his daughter is wounded. military guys like, Oh, he's gonna go find the guy. And then it goes off in these directions. And it becomes this meditation on what revenge actually is and what it actually costs. And it is one of the most brilliant movies I've seen in like five years. I'm Wow, God, it's called Riders of justice. It stars Mads Mickelson and again, it's another one of my left one love, love match. I mean, my God,
Mindy Cohn 25:42
yeah, he's on my list, by the way of people I want to work with Oh, my god, did you see another round? Of course I did. Everything he does, I'm a little obsessed.
But again, he's magic. It's like we were talking about earlier if this person was like, Oh, wait a minute, I can use the framework of a revenge movie, which everyone's familiar with, right? I can use this to kind of lure them into this deeper thing that I want to do.
Mindy Cohn 26:07
You've been backdoored. And you don't even feel like
Oh, my God. And so and by the way, I'm not saying that it becomes this boring, you know, meditate? No, there's plenty of action and shooting, but then they show you what that cost usually movies, when they're shooting and shootouts. And afterwards, everyone's like, Well, that was a quite a bang up. But in real life, it just causes 10 times more insanity and trauma. It just doesn't stop. Amazing. And they follow that down. It's amazing. It's just amazing.
Mindy Cohn 26:35
So I want to sort of end on a sort of more practical thing, which is, well, just practical. I'm just like, I'm curious and want to know the gossip. When you're on a tour like you are right now where you have dates, and it's you are months out. Yeah. What happens with the acting shmatte thing? Do you tell your agent manager? Look, I can't go out for anything, or I mean, what do you give up? I guess this as
well. I mean, you know that the tour is towards doing another special. So it's not like I'm just doing it. No, I understand. giggles Yeah, but the only thing usually the acting shoe acting is hey, you know, I can't cancel the Kennedy Center. Can you ask these people can either reschedule what they want to shoot? Or there's stuff that I've had to give up? Because
Mindy Cohn 27:19
that was really the question I want to ask you do you know, going into the next year that you're going to have to give up a couple of opportunities?
Well, right now, I'm in good faith that I'm just booking the weekend, and we could possibly work out me coming back. I'm very good at operating on no sleep and coming back to do I mean, I've done a lot of that. But yeah, I'm I'm always prepared last year, I had to give up one thing I really, really wanted. And that wasn't even because of touring. It was because of other acting gigs, that we just couldn't reschedule the count. It was literally like a matter of days and everything. Oh, dang. And it happens that happened. Meredith has told me about you know, there were movies or like two movies that she had. And she picked the one and had to give the other one up. And that's just what you do. Like, yeah, yeah, this is alive, you know?
Mindy Cohn 28:03
Yeah. Well, and then also for me, where I've said no to something, and then I've gone and I've had the worst experience. And what I mean by that it's always a joy to work. But it's with someone that I don't particularly I had a bad experience, or it wasn't the camp that I always want, especially moviemaking to be that you just sort of go.
I said, Yeah, that happened to me. A while back, I said yes to something that I was very, very excited about. And oh, boy, yeah, you're just, you're just bombed, right? You're just like, put it this way. Have you ever done a project with a person that has enticed you to do the project that you met with you realize, halfway through the project was wearing a mask, and was reading the mask of a different kind of director or producer? And then when he goes like, Oh, no, that mask just fell off? And that's the person Okay,
Mindy Cohn 28:51
well, it's Yes, comma. And I had the experience of wanting to work with these directors so badly, because they loved everything they done, and I got on set and I was so disappointed. Oh, God, that's just, you know, and I've had a couple of acting experiences like that to where this person is just been like, I cannot wait. And they've just, it's been okay. It was fine.
Yeah, I mean, look, there's a reason why, you know, sometimes, quote, unquote, great directors or great artists. It's not a good experience. And then afterwards, you're like, those shamans are trauma. We're not worth this 90 minute, Lloyd that is a femoral as it is. And now I know why. Denzel Washington, the greatest actor of our generation, did all those movies with Tony Scott, who is a fine director, but not not Kubrick. But he's like, this guy's really fun. I'd rather just
Mindy Cohn 29:43
ask. Exactly like,
I've already got an Oscar. I just want to be with someone I like hanging out with. This is more fun. This is supposed to be fun. I'm not gonna go and be with someone who can make me miserable.
Mindy Cohn 29:54
Yeah, great. I didn't mean to end on a downer. But
no, I actually think that That's very positive You and I have got to a point that a lot of people either don't get to till later in life or they never get to where it's like, no, this has to be fun first, you know, all that everything else is just ephemeral. Why burn the the joyful moments of my life away this esoteric idea.
Mindy Cohn 30:18
I always tell people I'm a lifer. I'm gonna be doing this until you kick me off the stage or film set, or to my friend Tara and I have made a path to each other. If we ever get to the age where we can't remember our lines, cannot put other actors and set your people through that because I don't know about you. But I've been on a set where there's been so painful. Oh my god. It's the most painful thing. Oh, God, I refuse to be that person. No, yeah. It's weird. I
just had a meeting with a lawyer. That and I was like, because like, what's your main focus? I'm like, just try to remember this with me. And I know people like this. I'm not in this business to make a killing and then get out. Like, I want to just keep working. So if it means making less money, but building solid relationships, and I can just, you know, I want john Ritter's career. I want to be that guy where people are like, Oh, he's the best. Yeah, bring him in. Like everyone loved working with him and you work forever. And that's, you know, that's what I want. Get out.
Mindy Cohn 31:13
Get out. Get out, kiddo. Yeah. Anyway, I hope you and I see each other soon. I wish you tremendous luck, which you will not need on this. This new tour. I can't wait to see it myself. Um, thank you kind sir, for joining us on this episode.
And listeners if you want to see a nice cone Oswald a team up watch movie, sex and death one on one. It is a one of the many cone Oswald pair up movies that were huge in the early aughts. Yes, and of the 19 we made that's the best one. So
Mindy Cohn 31:46
can I just suggest and really request that we maybe do a 20 or
Christian Brescia 31:54
even 20. Alright, let's do a link for it in the show notes for sure. Yeah. Thanks, ladies and gentlemen, one more time, a big round of applause and thank you once again. That is Mindy here. Yeah. So awesome. Talking to you.
Mindy Cohn 32:10
Get out, get out.
Christian Brescia 32:12
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