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Hi everybody welcome back to Monday's withWendy Christian Brescia season three, Episode One, season three. back evenbigger news, Christian. Yes, Mondays was Monday season three has a sponsor infact two sponsors which is amazing, especially like proper official sponsors.Yes, we are proud to announce that season three is sponsored by the cocktailparty love Mary, which is the most delicious homemade hors d'oeuvres that youcan get sent right to your door from the most incredible caterer to the starsand beyond marry Giuliani and also one of my most favorite hotels in the wholewide world that happens to be in Woodstock New York. The Woodstock way hotel.So officially Oh my god.
sponsor. Anyway, we thank them. We thank youfor joining us. Today's episode features a conversation with an actress I'veknown for a long time. Like almost my whole life. Just a minute. Just a minute.Yes, definitely.
I was a co star with her for a decade on a showthat some of you may know called the facts of life. Anyway, today'sconversation is going to be with the amazing Nancy McKean. Nancy was born andraised in New York and began her career as a child model along with her brotherPhilip McKeon, who would later co star in a long running series, Alice withwind 11.
Anyway, Nancy was doing numerous numerouscommercials. In fact, I first saw Nancy, in a hallmark commercial that to thisday is one of the most sentimental, gorgeous ads I've ever seen. And when Philbooked Alice, the whole family moved out to Los Angeles. And actually, Nancy'sHallmark commercial led her to be seen by the casting director of the facts oflife. And she joined us in 1984, the show second season, and then you know, forthe next nine years.
During the 1980s, and the 1990s. Nancy alsostarred in numerous TV movies, including a cry for help the Tracy Thurman storyand strange voices. And when facts of life ended, Nancy starred in a couple ofother series including can't hurry love, style and substance and, of course,lifetimes the division, where they incorporated her first pregnancy into thestoryline of that last season. Nancy also started directing during this timeand was at the helm for a couple of episodes of the division, as well as herown short film and awakening, which she also wrote. Wow. In 2009, she appearedin a reoccurring role in the Disney show Sonny with a Chance playing DemiLovato his mother, how cool is that? It's amazing, so amazing. And in 2018 shecompeted on season 27 of Dancing with the Stars. Well, next up for Nancy willbe a reoccurring role in the new Amazon series panic based on the young adultdrama series from writer Lauren Olivier. She's working with a dear friend ofmine Bonnie bedelia I did my first feature film with Bonnie bedelia boy youcould fly so Wow, there's good luck there's good luck working with Bonniebedelia. Nancy Yeah, her girls are getting older she is getting back ontelevision on streaming channels back where she belongs so I'm very excited.Nancy lives in Texas with her husband mark and her two daughters Christian
yet me I'm very excited for this conversation.
Ladies and gentlemen, let's bring her into theshow Nancy McKeon
Hi, so happy to be here. Oh my gosh, we're sohappy to have you in just to see your face Nance I haven't I haven't we haven'ttalked talked I mean we do we texts and stuff about texting is you feel likeyou've been in touch. Yeah, you know, missing that, you know, just kind ofspontaneous conversation because my thumbs these kids today how they walkthing. I don't even know how to do that. Um, yeah, I can't type in I I can't.
Yeah, I'm not a multitasker myself in thatdepartment. So anyway, welcome to Monday's with Mindy. We do this cheeky thingwhere we just slip into our Jonathan Adler secrets jar. And Kristen and I havecome up with just like random 20 questions. And we'll just start from there.You just answer the questions. It's no, it's so easy. It's a good way to getstarted mildly terrifying, but
there's no wrong answers. No wrong answers.Okay, there are
nowadays not kiddos nowadays. Don't go away.Forever. Never know. So just be thoughtful. Nancy
What's your guilty pleasure?
What is my guilty pleasure? I would saybritbox. Oh, I am a strange junkie for British television. All things Britishtelevision.
Yeah, when I just you know, when I need. I needfriends or comfort as far as you know, when you put it on the screen foryourself. It's it's one of a few British comedies and so, yeah, yeah. That's agood one. Excellent. And the thing that I'm judging now Now, now, I didn't haveanything. You know, we lived on a ranch for 18 years, where I mean, youcouldn't eat we had no internet basically couldn't stream a thing. I mean,we're looking at the phone worked. Just recently this year. Also, FYI, don'tmove during a pandemic. It's not fun.
So the ranch and we moved, and now we have ohmy gosh, everything.
And it's just, I have to actually say get upand do something. Walk away.
Oh, yeah. No, it's the vortex of tip tell,especially now. Yeah, especially now. Okay, um, so I know this to be true. Itsays, Can you cook I know this to be true that Nancy can cook up a storm. Whatis your favorite dish to make? Whoo, hmm. My favorite dish? Well, I have andthey are well worn every book ever. Probably in triplicate, because I know ismy jam. I love her. I want what's not to love. I want to be best friends withAyana.
Cho, it's a dream I'm working on I'm sendingout my positive.
Because I know you may have a little angel thatcan help you.
Later, we might have an angel that can makethat happen. But it's Make a wish. Did you know that Christian?
Nancy, this episode may be able to facilitatethat. Okay, and I've got cash.
Anything that you can do? Oh my god, really? Iknow. It's not sad. I am. I am I gonna freak you to get it. So one of herdishes is actually my mom's favorite that I make all the time, which is thischicken Milanese with a rubella and a little shaved? parm. It's really simple,but it's light and it's got in lemon and it just is delicious. delish. That's agreat, that's a good holiday dish to it. Yes. Okay. Uh, oh. I'm curious. Nancy,what assumption do people make about you? That's wrong. You know what, this isideal? Of course you do that I know anything at all about a motorcycle. Oh
my god, I love you so much.
I don't know true.
Nothing, they would laugh at me because I wouldbasically you know, get a screwdriver and come out in the same like, I knowlike I was fixing some things. I know nothing. I know you're an actress.
Might be terrify me because I've I've wreckedtwice. And one during a shoot I was writing within the the scene and that thatboy that didn't that was not fun. And then another when I was younger. And somy husband actually happens to have a motorcycle. He has his his thing hislove.
And I don't want to be a Debbie Downer. So Igot on it once. And I said, you know, this is just the most awesome thing.
And now I never have to do
I want to ask I know that when you did thedivision like you rode with the police department, but did you have to do likeany, like, go to school for the stunt driving? Or you guys never really had todo that for that show? No, not for that and driving. I can do it. I lovedriving. Driving and I can do that all day long. Yeah, the only thing we did wewent on ride alongs with detectives and we we I was at the gun range a lot, youknow. Okay, yeah. So, but not for a we never tried to make kind of stuntdriving in our thing, and I didn't have to be on a motorcycle. So yeah, yeah, it'sa win. Okay, um, well, now my we may have done the answer. What's the lastthing you binge on? That I binged on? Yeah. Television wise, then what would itbe anything just however you want to answer it. It doesn't have
To be television, it could be a food item. Itcould be I don't know, think it would have to be what did we? Oh, well, ofcourse, in, you know, follow up to what I just said. Right. For my third timearound.
But my kiddos and my husband's first time wedid
Downton Abbey. Oh, and what did they think,though they loved it, they loved it.
I loved it again and again.
Actually, and right before that, because that Imentioned for 18 years
thrown out there. And what do you think Ithought a lot of names, it was amazing. And I have to say, I'm really thankfulthat I didn't have to wait, you know, a year and a half before that next, thatnext season would have come out, you know, I'm Yeah, yeah, that's a sort of. SoI think the ending didn't strike me as much as it did when when people werewatching it in real time. Because there was such a there was so many gaps, youknow, yeah. Yeah. That it made a little bit more sense. You know, when you'rewatching it straight through, but they're just, you know, first off, can wejust say kid Harrington.
But the whole cast I mean, yes. stellar, fromfrom stem to stern, the extras? I mean, the extras, the devotion that you haveto have, you know, I mean, oh, no, that's, that's another level. That was awhole other level. Yeah.
Yeah, well, I would say it took about SeasonTwo and a half by the time I finally learned everybody's name.
But you know, you're only waiting for anything,you're Dinklage to come on and be just extraordinarily brilliant. I mean,you're just you're just waiting for him to do what he does. And so those aretwo binges a great Oh, doesn't any kind of like polar opposites and some
Game of Thrones with the with my 14 year old itwas a little spicy. Yeah, I was gonna be spicy. It was
Like, okay, well, we're on the learning curve.Okay.
Last question. If you could, I mean, notforever, but just like this thing.
The lightning round.
If you could have dinner with any three people,who would they be and why?
And I know this is one of those questions. It'slike, Are you kidding me? But just like, in this moment, right now with uslive. Do you imaginary anything?
Gee, that's a hard one. Because
I can go I could go current and funny.
But oh, it just hit me. Right. Okay. No moneyand current and yeah, that would be but know that you're if I was to answer youtruthfully. Oh, yeah. It would be would be my mom's parents, my grandma andgrandpa and my brother. Yeah. Okay. It'd be amazing. All right. So didn't Yep.A little late to that. Sorry about that.
Um, yeah, we didn't want to cry it the first 10minutes.
Well, leave it to Mindy. Barbara is the newcan.
Yeah, leave it to me to just put on something.Okay.
Anyway, that's lovely and gorgeous. And yes.Okay. Um, so I don't know if you are aware of why Christian and I started this,but I was sort of,
well, that first March, April, May of last yearwasn't you know, I'm kind of a loner. And, and as long as we had clean air andclean water and food, you know, I was kind of okay.
But the only thing that I was missing, were myfriends and my community and just talking to other creatives. And Christiansaid, let's do a podcast why not everyone else is doing one. It seems but I'mkind of this was born out of that of just us wanting to connect to people thatwe think about, we care about, we've had pasts with whatever. So it really iskind of talking about people's creative process, whatever that means to them.And it doesn't necessarily have to be about like the work.
But in general, I have to say that
after Kim fields teaching me upstage anddownstage the first season
My second acting lesson came from you. I don'tknow if you know this or not are you remember cuz it was Jesus so long ago, alittle while ago, but for some reason
he writers wrote an episode too early in myhumble opinion for this person that Natalie gets attacked. And I have to enteralready having gone through something and you know, I'm 13 years old just gotbought mitzvahed and discovered. So you know, I know nothing from this andChrissy, you know, a lot of people don't know this. But Nancy literally talkedto me through that. And I remember getting all of these kudos and Pat's on theshoulder. Wow. didn't know you had it. In yen. Wow, this was so impressive. Andit really had to do with Nancy, my first acting lesson was you just telling meput yourself in that situation? I mean, it was like a Master's class. Yeah,while we were 14 years old.
You're a sweetheart, a Remember that? No, I
here's the thing. When two things that struckme, first off, I don't see you as a loner, I see you as fiercely independent.But you have always been
a person who has just, you know, almost a partyaround you wherever you go. There's laughter and kindness. And, and and, and sothat's different than being a loner, you know, because, you know, you didn'tyou just you bring a zest to something. And sometimes people need to, toregroup and replenish. Because when you go out and you are a people person,because you are urine, I am an introvert, which is ironic to a lot of people,but I think we all kind of are, I mean, don't really realize that about actorsmaybe be you know, they think, oh, you get up there and do that, well, we getup there and do that, as somebody else we don't, right, get up there and dothat as as us, you know, and you go out and do that. And you put all thisenergy and everything that you have into it, and then you go back to you andhome and you need to replenish. So that's, that's just the Ying and the Yang ofit. And so to that point, you know, and I love you for saying that. But there'snothing that you did, or that came out of you that wasn't there. It's justaccessibility. And when you have great comedic timing, when you have whatCharlotte saw in you, and Norman and all of these amazing creatives that werethat, you know, that we all looked up to, and that we were blessed to bearound.
You know, they don't see just one side of youthey see talent, it's it's the whole and yes, ours was primarily what a greatjob to find the the funniest way to go through something most of the time. Theyalso allowed us that flip side to really, you know, have some emotion. And itwas just, it wasn't anything more than you and I having conversation. There wasno taught teaching or anything you and I were having conversation about, whatwould this feel like? And then you went out there and you did it this this haseverything to do with the flipside of your comedic talent. And so that was justyou and what she's not what you're not saying man, supported by ash, as we allknow, very much. So. I mean,
that helps. Yes, we all felt that throughoutevery season, no matter what happened, no matter what the day was bringing.something was going on in our various lives, no matter what happened. When wegot out there as a team and as a unit. I never felt it was so supportive andsafe and secure, yummy for for, you know, young women of that time. But therewas never a moment where we didn't feel like we had each other's back inconcept of being those those kiddos and those people. Yeah, as us even even amember of rehearsal process. When someone was struggling from it, you know,yeah, we're all there for each other.
That's related to television too. Because I wasa, I was a viewer. I mean, I was a little bit younger, but my older sister wasa huge fan of the show. She watched it religiously every time it was on. And soby nature, I kind of sat and watched it too, but you definitely felt thatcamaraderie around it. And I certainly, I mean, I've always been raised withstrong female role models. And so that was just another extension to mevisually of that. So I'm not surprised to hear this kind of behind the scenesstory, because that's what it looked like on TV and, you know, you guys didseem like a really supportive team, kind of learning growing up, you know, Ialways talk about our
Really, I really talk about Norman a lot,because one of the reasons that this was his last show, I mean, he's sort oflike going on to do other things after creating this for Charlotte, kind ofpromising are I really was that, you know, he had girls our age, our ages. Andlike he did with Edith bunker that was modeled after his wife, Francis. He, hesaid, I didn't see my girls on television, I didn't see my age group and theconversations we were having around the dinner table, I didn't see that. So Ireally appreciated that. And also, the thing that he told me was, this is whatyou do, not who you are, you know, and I think we all shared that. I thinkthat's why just professionally, there's never been a time or a need for any ofus to talk smack because there's no smack there. Because we all it was our job.Right? Like, it was our job. But I think, you know, look, I mean,
you know, we can put a really beautiful sugarcoating on on it. You know, the fact of the matter is, is we were, we wentthrough our formative years together, we were but I always think of it is wetruly were sisters, when we when we write that or we say that a we were andbecame that and be, you know, in my heart, we still are I know that I you know,obviously, it's been a very difficult time, the first people to have my back,or my sisters, you know, and to that end sisters, you know, get you know, GE orget, you know, they get different interests and are maybe thinking about thisand you know, and you have to say Come on, come on, come on, we've got to youknow, but that's normal, that is a normal thing. And but, you know, I have tosay how grateful what I what an amazing team that I actually was able to comeinto, they were all together before me. And they already made this beautifulthing and started this out. They brought they accepted me in. And I I felt thatfrom day one. They were they were kind of rooting for me. And that was that waseverything because I had never done comedy. I had never done a half hour.That's right. When you say I'd never done that I was kind of in the same boatbecause I'd never done that format. I was an extra. And I had two lines once onon Alice on my brother show. But I think I think I was a shoo in for that.
To get that roll or little nepotism never heardanybody would allow me to sit at the counter sometimes in the diner andwonderful prop guy would make me a milkshake. And oh, because I wasn't gettingany work. My brother came out there. My brother had this show for a reason Icould not get a job. And we just have been really frustrating because you werepretty prolific back in New York. I mean, you so much in New York, and Ithought, okay, you know, my brother's got this great job. And I'll you know, Iwould love to, you know, continue. It's what I love to do. And, you know, boy,how silence is definitely I mean,
laughing It's horrible.
I'm just bad, bad. I thought we have to find a,some something to do in life because no one would give me a job. And it wasn't.No, it wasn't until Aaron Spelling. You know, and my first job.
Starsky and Hutch, and then fantasy. And theythey were very good. That company was very good about they loved you. Yeah. Youinto their different shows. And thank God because otherwise I don't know. Idon't know where I'd be. I wouldn't be here. I know, people. Were asking if Icould talk to you.
Oh, my God. Well, something I've always kind ofdebunked when asked, Is this sort of sense of early on and this is very earlyon when you people would ask me Well, you know, Nancy, she could just cry oncue and I would always say no, no, that's not what's happening. If you werethere in person and watching it No, it's actually like in she's in the scene,like that's called acting. And I always kind of resented that you never did,which really pissed me off. So
I really did. I took up that banner very earlyon in interviews. What sisters do. It really upset me? I'm like, you don'tunderstand what happens. You're not watching it closely. I always resentedthat. So I'm insane. That is your
I mean, God, could you have a process at 14 or15? I don't know. But do you approach work in the same way now? Or? Um, no.Because back then, I was just blessed and privileged enough to get this amazingjob, what a gift. And I always, I always worked hard as hard as I knew how to,but funnily enough, I would know, I would never been trained or, you know,anything in that matter, it wasn't until
after the show was over, that I sought outsome, some classes, because I thought, you know, your instinct, and luck is, isonly going to get you so far. But you need to learn what, what, how to movethis forward, you know, and to, to, you know,
as we do, and most people when they come to theset there, they're usually either they get bored very quickly, or they'reamazed about the repetition of it, having to do it over and over. Andespecially,
you know, if you're doing a one hour, you know,
where it is intense, you know, you have tobring that same intensity when you're off camera for that actor, and that actorand that actor, and then into and it can go on for all day, two days. Right. Sohow does one accomplish that? How do you? How do you facilitate that there haveto be tools in the toolbox? Right? So truly, it wasn't under it wasn't afteruntil after our show ended that I went and sought out some tools because, youknow, same necessary. But I will say though, the couple of TV movies that youdid during because I know you did other things after but during facts of lifeyears, I mean, you did research, you didn't just show up to the sets. No, Iknow that. No, because I can still learn. Yeah, that's learning. And I, and wehappened at that point, the show was doing so well. And, you know, so we, wehad opportunity. Yeah. And so I thought, well, if someone's going to give methis opportunity, the best thing I can do is make sure that we have greatpeople, I'm allowed in the room. So I'm going to be quiet. And I'm going tolisten to everything that these great people say, and learn what it is that I'mdoing, and be grateful for the opportunity. But you know, when you're at 1516,and we're doing what we're doing, me having director approval, really what
that was given, and so my thing was okay, youknow, ask my counsel and ask the people I trust and who's the best? Let's tryand get them. And then I didn't learn because of that. Truly, you know, that isthe masterclass is when you are given the opportunity to be, you know, in ascene or on a stage or in a room with people who are great at what they do.First movies, I was before our show,
I got the opportunity to do a it was kind of agroundbreaking movie at the in its time
with Jane Alexander and Jenna rowland's That'sright. Oh, my God, holy Pete. It was called the question of love. And it wasabout you know, you know, they were a couple in wanting to adopt, you know, and
this is pre our show, but you know, very early.And, you know, it was it was a lot and but yeah, you even at that age, I knewYeah, I didn't know really who they were because I was I was 11 or 12 you knewyou were in the presence of something amazing. No, I got to be in a scene and Igot to stand and watch these incredible women. And I'm, you know, you you justgotta hope that somehow things are, are sinking in.
how they treat people, how they carrythemselves, how they, you know, how they are, you know, all of these thingsinform you as you move forward. And and when you're just privileged and blessedand lucky enough to be able to work with
you know, the kinds of folks that I've, I'vebeen amazed I get the opportunity to do this with yourself up there at the top.You know, what a great
Gosh, I don't know how you'd be more grateful.You know, I
know I feel the same way. I really do. And youknow, I mean for me is after
I mean, I know you direct and you write as welland, and do all kinds of things that I just don't I'm a producer, of course,because I'm bossy pants. And I like to people, please. So it's like, that's allyou need. And I can ask for everyone else and not myself, producer, made, done.But, uh, you know, as an actor, all I have is my talent and my reputation. And,you know, it's so interesting how that reputation carries through. Becausepeople, that's when people want to work with you again, you know, you may getlucky the first time or twist of fate or whatever it is, or God just goes,Yeah, okay, take it good. You know, but the reputation is what gets youthrough. And I do have to say, I wear it as a badge of honor, that we kind ofcame out of our 10 year run, you know, really with great reputations that weearned, you know, that were true. Yeah, we all worked hard. We all we you know,we all loved working it was so fun. And when we hit a rhythm, you know, thereare some some rhythms that I will never forget that still things day when Ithink about I just feel happy and joyful and grateful. You know, the paintscene of course, you know, I mean, when we have to wear it was we were flying,you know, yeah. Always always seeing where your your lightning bolts hat.
wanted your poop? Yeah, I swear to God, I youknow, if I need a laugh about it, and
the time is, so it was so cool. And I hopethat's what what people think. I hope they realize that, you know, because weIt was no, there was no social media, we weren't doing anything, thank God.
You know, do you know, on my knees thinkingthat there was no so shoot me the event? I would have? I don't know if I'd behere. I think I'd be either in prison on a chain gang.
You know, with an ear earrings all up. I don'tknow what I would be. But it would not be here talking to you guys. Let me justtell you that
post office wall.
Some sort of monetary reward.
Oh my God. That is so great. So in doing myresearch about Yeah, um, I came across something that I didn't know that I wasnever aware of talk to me about when you wrote and you directed a short filmawakening. Oh, yeah. That was when did that happen? And how did I miss it?Well, I think for me, that was
Gosh, because you guys were all super smart.And you know, Kimmy went to Pepperdine. And and you went to college to you wentto work? I did. Yeah. I went to Loyola Marymount. And then I got a Master's ofeducation. Yeah. Yeah. My parents
are very smart parents. I had to I had to getup there with them. Okay, so don't have any of that. Um, but
I thought you know, what, I'm going to takewhat would have been,
I guess, my college tuition. And I'm going tomake this short. Yeah. And so I, I did that and I had some help from some froma lot of great people and went back to New York and you know, kind of just, Ithought, you know, what, I just want to dive in. I just want to just bend andgood and you hat and also then taking myself also out of Los Angeles where wehad more of the people around us that we you know, to go to for if you need anediting room, or if you need you know, something, you know, I was literally Iremember driving I had to go rent a big white passenger van. And yeah, in inNew York City. Hmm. Hasn't your van not really where to start but okay.
Remember driving and and had to go?
Chapman was gonna lend me a little PB Donnelly.So but I had to put up you know, and then I remember we were so small we didn'treally have to. It wasn't really about a teamster thing. You know, but okay,you respect these are people who are living and stuff. So you know, I had tocruise by there. And, you know, I thought a bottle of scotch might just say no,thanks so much for letting us do our job, our little small thing, you know, andso you just ended up just doing everything. And yeah, it was a great experienceas a whole. It was a great experience. Well, I know you I mean, you've directyou directed a few episodes of the division. I did.
That's where I got my card. Yeah. Yeah. Do youhave aspirations to like, do that? More?
Or, yes, of course, I would. I would. I love Ilove being in that position. I've been
I think being able to craft the story from sortof every angle, you know, okay, you know is now I don't, it's a skill you havethat I do not. And I don't wish to have crafted a story from every angle, butgreat thing is, is being in a position of hiring amazing people, and thenletting them do their jobs, letting them fly letting them be amazing. And dowhat they do. You know, whether it's a Steadicam operator or you know, thecostumes or set design, you have input, and you have great conversation. But ifyou're hiring somebody, you got to know that they're great at what they do. Andit's that, that crazy thing, and you will know this, because you understandwhere everybody you have these big production meetings, right? And theneverybody goes off. And then they somebody hands you a piece of paper, now theyemail you and say, Okay, so I'm gonna clock be here, do that, and whatever, andyou show up, and magically, this department shows up and this department showsup in this day. And all of a sudden, this, this, just exquisite collaborativeart somehow magically starts up, you know, you drive and you see your littletraveling circus and the 10th
floor in the morning, and it's dark, and you'reso happy to see your people, you know, because folks, cuz all the tents thatare up and everything, and it's just so it's just so much fun to be able to, tocraft a story from that angle, as opposed to craft, just your portion of theplay. Yeah, you have to, you have to know what you're doing and then bring thatand then the open to what the whole is. But being in that other position isjust was so fun. You know, I had
and you know, this, you know, I'm I'm kind of alate starter, you know, I'm a late bloomer, I had my kiddos later on in life.I, you know, I was 30 and 40, when I had Harlow and, and I never intended therewas no, there was no Oh, strip plan.
You know, we just decided,
Well, you know, we just,
you know, new URL really an option for us. Ijust come through 911 I was there. And so yeah, feeling a bit anxious withnewborns for me. It's my home. You know, we'd love it there. Yeah. And LA. I'dbeen there for 30 years. And I was a little exhausted of of that. That thing,too. Yeah. When we were thinking, you know, it's got to become about them. Andso that's my husband. And there's a great, beautiful, thriving film industryhere in Austin. Yes, yeah. And in such great folks, and, and he does suchamazing work. And we just thought, you know, what this will we'll just, youknow, let's be here. And we found this beautiful piece of property that wewere, we were lucky enough to be stewards of, for for as long as we were, andyeah, we could open the doors and the kids could go run and you hunt for bugs,and you go on hikes, and you're still on your own property. And, you know, it'sjust, it was wonderful, you know, yeah, I know, senior, that's where I when Isee the pictures of your, your father farm. You know, it's, it's a great placein it, and it kind of recharges I never intended to not not work, but, youknow, they're captivating, these kiddos are just captivating, and I get it, Ididn't wait that long to not raise them, you know, be here and know everythingabout who they are. And, and I'm so in retrospect, you know, because we're nowgetting to a point where, you know, we're one is almost 17 and a half turns 14in a couple of weeks. So
it just, you know, ready? And now I can youknow, begin to thank God. Yeah, doing some stuff and but I it's been, they'reincredible, they informed they just teach me every day. They're just so kindand loving. And I just, I'm so grateful. I really am grateful that I had that opportunity.And
so, so there was a gap. So I have I have a CVgap, as they tell me well, but you know what's so interesting, I mean, call ita gap, whatever else you want to call it, or, you know, to me a creative as acreative I sort of had to fall in love with that and identify as that becauseit was given to me so I had a lot of like feelings about it. And cloris was theone who actually really just shepherded me and mentored me into like, no, ownit learn craft and get up on stage and fall in love with yourself doing it ordon't you know, and so Mike, I talked about a late bloomer. God I I'm still Ithink the best is yet to come. I could be delusional, but
I really don't believe
I mean, you've you've just been, you know,putting getting all your tools, you know, and you're just gonna start hitting,hitting your stride. And you know, we just happen to have been doing it for avery long time. Right? Yeah, you know, exactly. That's the difference is we'renot just starting now. We're doing it for a while. And sometimes. So Nance, Iwant to ask you, because I know that well, maybe you haven't had thisexperience, I just feel that you have, I have a few times. What is your, what'sin that toolbox? When you? Again, we had such a good experience for our first,second, third, fourth, fifth experiences of shows, movies, whatever we did. Iknow that to be true. So what happens when you're working with someone who isnot of that ilk? Who is either a diva or an asshole or a whatever? What's yourmindset? when that occurs? How do you how do you how do you move through that?humor? Always humor? Because it's it can cut through so much? Also? You know,I've gone into a few projects where people said, and who are you working with?You know, oh, yes, there's a story or a story and a story and a story. And mypoint is, okay, I get that. But that's, I don't even have a relationship withthem yet. This is I'm going to craft my own my own relationship and what that'sgoing to be, you know, I can't, I can, you know, you can have an understandingand have that back in there. And, you know, see what's what but, you know, as Iwouldn't want somebody to have heard something, and come in and prejudge me,and yes, then you have to work so hard to try to figure out what is thisrelationship because it's, there's, there's so many mythical things to it, youknow,
his opinion or somebody else's relationship, orsomething else that happens. So, you know, in that, in that instance, and, youknow, on one project I can think of in particular, I just like, because, youknow, it's the great equalizer? And, and, and if not, then and you know,someone doesn't have a really good sense of humor,
then, you know, the thing is, is I'm not there,really, it's always a pleasure and a surprise, right? Nice, when it works out,and you kind of become family in the end, but I'm not there to make friends orto be family trying to do what I was asked to do, or what I was privilegedenough to get to do.
You want to do this role and whatever this is,and it's just concentrating on that, you know, because I am, you know, I don't,I don't need much, I don't need anything I don't need, you know, I have neverhad staff or people around me or, you know, I didn't have anybody helping mewith the kids. Just me, you know, just me.
And a nap go to sleep at eight o'clock.
Yeah, but because I just don't need any ofthat, you know? Yeah, I love doing I love the work. I just love doing it.Whether you're trying to figure out how to be how to craft the scene into itsfunniest diversion, or if it's heartbreaking.
convey that, because you need to have, youknow, to let people in, you know, love it have experienced this. Let them letthem see themselves in your performance. Yeah, I mean, that's, I love it lessalone. And so just don't go in word and just do
besides me, of course. Who would you like towork with in the future?
huh? Do you have like a dream string scenarioof a list of people? Besides I know, of course, I dine. Yeah, I know garden.That's, that's coming in your future. Nance. Who do you Who do you say whensomebody asks you that? Who are your question? I usually want to get to someonebefore they're, I mean, so more bit of me. I can't help it. I'm a little moreof it. But I want to get people before they leave. Do you know what I mean? SoI usually look to
verbal because they see nice here.
If they're above ground,
and not and not have ashes. Yes. They have ascene partner that does neither of those attributes. But um, so I usually tendto do those. You know, I would like to do a scene with Robert DeNiro. I'd liketo sit across from Robert DeNiro. I have no bones about that.
I you know, there's just some people that Iwould like to play with. Yeah, before they leave
Again, I think like your general Ensigncharacter, you know, I, I was really had wonderful relationships with some oldbroads that aren't here anymore. And I would like that again, as an old broad.
You know, so those are the names that I usuallykind of come up with. Yeah, you know, well, because they they've been they wereour what we were watching, you know, when we were young, so Exactly, yes,exactly. There's, you know, there's just so many for so many different reasons.Yeah. True. That too. Yeah. That is hard to, to choose just one or two, youknow? Yeah. I will have to say I do have to say, I know I texted this to youwhen I when I heard the news. But my first feature film, co starred Bonniebedelia. Oh, so the fact that you are working with her tickles me to no endbecause she's one of those like, you know, she's just wonderful. is she's sucha cool cat. And though and the great thing is, is this last series, she's in ittoo. So we got to, we got to play. I never I don't have any scenes with her.But so we but I did you know, we can visit on the set. She flew in to do herstuff. And, and she was great. And one day, thank God, they were running long.And we sat in up in the, you know, one of our little trailer thingies and, andwe just we talked for about three and a half hours. We hadn't seen each otherin a long time. You know? Yes. But I love her and she's, she's, she's Yeah,she's just real, you know? I mean, in a great way. She's just Yes. And, andwhen you're talking with her, she listens, you know? Yeah, some people aren'tlistening.
Yes, I can. Unfortunately.
picked up your phone and checked in.
Oh, that's just like a love besides the kiddos,what or who inspires you? Right now currently. Besides Ayana? Yeah. Besides?
Gosh, we really have to make that happen.Christian for many people. It's so hard. You know, I you know, I might put youon the spot. I will you get inspiration in different ways, you know, and fromdifferent people. And, you know, I mean, even you hit this kiddo last night onthe voice who won this magnificent voice this 15 year old little kid and andjust asked, that's inspiring. You think? Oh, God, yeah. Go you that's justfantastic. You know, music is inspiring. Art is inspiring. You know, I thinkI'm always inspired though, too. Because, you know, quite frankly, we're old.
You know, getting there. People like I know, II'm happy I think
people, you know, like Annette Bening inspireme.
You know, who, oh, yeah, who just keepbusinesses is, is? Yeah, it's got a lot to it. There's so many differentlayers, and to be able to stand up and say, you know, this is who I am. I'm notplaying that game. I'm not doing that thing over there. And, and I look likethis, and the consistency of of her her work and her choice and her overalldignity and class. You know, I just, those are the words that come to mind whenwhen I think about her and, you know,
as I said, there's inspiration just everywhere,and people doing so many amazing things that yeah, I mean, you can't
without being inspired. Oh my god, I mean, Icry at every, you know, after every show. I'm, I'm ridiculous. Yeah.
I miss it. So yeah, same. And I My heart isbreaking for for all of these for the whole, you know, people don't often thinkof the whole but there's, you know, stage managers and, and customers anddeceptive. I mean, it goes on and on and on. Oh, yeah. You know, are hurtingright now. And to think of how the kind of stories they craft and and give tous. It's such a gift eight or eight shows a week, right? I dream. That's mydream. I know mine to New York isn't?
Do Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I didn't know that. I'mputting that. What do you mean? I'll take it? No, that I put that I have. I'mnot shy about it. I tell people all the time. They're like, really? What do youwant want to be doing and I see things. I want my version, whatever that is ofmisery. I want that kind of role. Yeah, yeah. And eight shows a week.
Now I'm on Broadway like without question.Those are the apples as misery is its misery been on Broadway? It has. Yeah, ithas meant like when someone says like, Is there a role you want to play? Idon't I'm just saying revival.
Yeah. Laurie Metcalf played her on Broadwaywith Bruce Willis. That was two years ago. Misery. So give it three years andit would be great you do you cuz you'd be great? You my god yeah, it would begreat because there's a fine line when you're watching somebody, you know whenthey've got comedy chops, but they can also they, you know that they have thatother side firsthand and how psychotic I can be. So you, you you among many fewpeople actually have seen it
and witnessed it. So. Yeah, yeah. Got it inthere. She would be great, don't you think? Oh, absolutely. Well, he I mean, ohmy god. Okay. Anyway, that was not what this was about. Um, so I'm excited thatyou're, I'm excited that you're, you're back. Not that you ever left. But I'mreally excited that
you know, your CV is done.
Exactly. Hope. Oh, no.
I think the moment I think the moment peopleknow that you want, yeah, it's gonna be floodgates.
People ask you, they be in genuine and they'reserious in it. And I and I, and I love that. But they say, you know, the rolesyou've chosen that you know, and in the career that you've crafted?
Yeah, for people in our business that get totheir career. It's called the 1% have to bit you know, go and die for a job.And sometimes, that's a job you don't want to be doing.
You bet. Sometimes. rent? That's right. You beton it. That's good. I'd like to take off my CV if I can, since I'm rewritingit. Oh, my God. Here we go. Yeah.
Did Oh, but no, that's called taking care ofyourself in a working actor. I mean, I always am so surprised. That and also,you know, I don't know if you you get this, but I Are you still working? Forsome reason? That question really bothers me. Because, you know, yeah, I mean,don't ask, don't tell. I don't know, it's always I have to get a better moodabout it. You do. But here's the thing, though. Honest to God. Okay, just likeI said, for 18 years, I had nothing, you know, I literally had to downloadthings on my iPad and come back and see if I could, I could hook it up to my TVto watch anything about anything. So there's so much content, there's so manychannels, there's so much out there. And I think Oh, I'd love to see that doit. Let's do it. But there's not enough time in the day. And so I think ifpeople say something like that, and I get that too of course you know, it's I Idon't take it as a slight people are busy people have families people you know,living here in the middle of the country and watching you know, you know, I'vehad friends that have you know, five children that and they're each doing onesoftball ones volleyball ones, they there is no time they have no idea whatanybody's doing. You know, I actually do media thing has made it easier becauseyou could follow them on on one of the formats. And by the way, it made me sohappy when you joined Instagram, I can't even express it to you.
And I want to I really know you then I'm gonnastick I don't think I'm very good at it.
I don't even care just the fact that for amoment, there was like there. Yes. Good.
You know, I think of it as a giant scrapbook.You know, and it's just like, it's my own scrapbook and, and then when I have friendslike, you know, watching you and like I said, you know, seeing your picturesand where you are and, and and you know, it Kimmy all the time and she's doingsomething.
I mean, honestly, oh, gorgeous. Lisa'sgrandchild. Could you imagine that heartbreakingly beautiful. So that's alwaysfun to see, you know, your your friends and kind of what they're doing becauseI don't I don't do the you know, I know really doing to any other
name. Let's see. Well, I want to let you knowthat I adore you so much.
I am so grateful that you blessed us with yourpresence on Mondays with Monday. I'm so excited to see what's next for you. Andmay you and mark and the girls have the most joyous holiday season and wishingyou everything and more for the new year from the bottom of my heart. Oh, yoursweetheart, sweetheart. Thanks for asking me It was so fun to catch up with youand and to meet you
We hopefully we can meet up in New York it's Iknow we oh god we almost got together there that one time and we were we had toleave Thank you we're flying out but I just you know I'm missing my friend andyou're doing great and you know, just so I'm forever will be it will be of myprivilege and no thank you so very much BORN AGAIN born again and I will textyou with my into Ayana. And we're gonna try and make that happen. I'll text youthe info.
Ladies and gentlemen, it has been such apleasure to have her one more time. Nathan McKeon. Yay, Nancy
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