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Mindy Cohn 00:00
Everyone, Christian and I of course welcome you back to another episode of Mondays with Mindy everybody. Welcome back. Today's episode features a conversation with Lauren roosh, who's currently the senior vice president of programming partnerships and special events for HGTV Lauren graduated from the University of California Santa Cruz earning a BA in journalism and theatre arts. He started his career in the world of lifestyle talking game shows such as do we remember love connection? Yeah, yes, Family Feud and home and family. He then went on to help launch and BCS America's talking cable network before he went over to be senior producer of good de la and its nationally syndicated counterpart. Good day live. During his tenure there he collected five Emmy Awards. Wow. Yeah, in 2008, Lauren ventured from California to Tennessee the home of scripts productions to join the programming staff of one of its networks home and gardens popularly known as HGTV as executive producer. He oversaw productions of some of the network's highest rated specials, including HGTV dream home, HGTV green home, the Rose Parade, and White House Christmas. A few years later, he was promoted, of course, and moved to New York City and their offices there to oversee all the programming tied to the company's ad sales driven initiatives, including custom cross network and fully integrated programs. Say that five times. He also and currently develops and manages series and specials such as brother versus brother, my lottery dream home, the trip 2018. And of course the ratings boon and current Emmy nominated, dare I say I voted as an academy member, you're not really supposed to say I'm saying his current Emmy nominated a very Brady renovation, Lauren lives with his husband, David in New York City, but gratefully still visits that's back here in Los Angeles, where his family and best friends live.
Christian Brescia 02:03
Awesome. I am looking forward to talking to him again, a friend of both of ours, the very talented, very successful. Mr. Loren Ruch.
Loren Ruch 02:15
This is so much fun.
Mindy Cohn 02:16
We're so excited to have you. I mean, at this point, many of our listeners know that, you know, Christian and I decided to do this because we were missing talking to creatives, which feeds me, feeds us all and especially during this time of not being able to be together. Yeah, hopefully that's ending we are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. And it's not an oncoming train. Yeah, back to work we go. But a lot of people assumed that I meant when I said creatives actors. And actually no, you are such a prime example of an executive who I classify having known you as long as I have as a creative as well. Yeah, we will get started and I'm so excited for people to meet you and know more about you because you You really are a very unique kind of showrunner producer. That that usually, okay, so we start each Mondays with Monday. Five of the 20 questions that Christian and I have come up with so into my grab bag. I go. Um, let's get started. All right. Okay. Oh, ha. How are we? Dude, how or where you grew up? And we're raised, develop your creative aesthetic.
Loren Ruch 03:37
Oh, my God, what a great question. That is. Thank you. I think it absolutely 100% did I come from the San Fernando Valley in the 80s. I was the ultimate Valley kid. I mean, there is no one more Valley than Woodland Hills, California in the 1980s. And I think that it shaped it shaped who I was because I was part of that mall culture. I was influenced by pop culture, I would run home from school and watch music videos. I mean, it was like the core of that time and, and I was obsessed with game shows. And I knew that I wanted to be in the entertainment industry because I was so obsessed with game shows in the 1980s that I would go on weekends to CBS television city and watch them from the audience. I was just like obsessed with them. And so I think it like it just influenced my wanting to be a creator. And I didn't know exactly what at the time, but I knew that I want it to be part of this television world. And I think that growing up in LA specifically in the valley and having so much pop culture in my hands was a huge influence in who I became. Well,
Mindy Cohn 04:39
may I say as a guest of many of those game shows. I I was the game show that when they asked all the girls who wanted to do it, it was always body language and tattletales and let's make a deal. I mean, I did $25,000 pyramid I remember them all.
Loren Ruch 05:02
I mean, award winning. I don't care if you were on
Mindy Cohn 05:10
the same way. Give the other girls Johnny Carson.
Loren Ruch 05:16
You probably have more fun.
Mindy Cohn 05:18
Yeah, of course, probably not the ideal thing for career but like, I didn't care. Yeah. So I love that we share that. Did you ever want to potentially be like the host? Because I feel like that's the first progression is like a kid watching those shows to be like, I want to host those things like no, I
did. And it's kind of funny. I actually one of my first my very first job out of college was for love connection, and then ended up working for a week, Martin Dale for two years. And he was such an amazing guy. And we're doing a show called Trivial Pursuit at the time. And he knew I wanted to be a game show host. And I was so young, it's maybe 22 or 23. And he would let me do his stand and work for all the rehearsals. And they had a whole demo tape of me being a game show host. It was the most fun. It was one of those things that I still look back on so fondly, because it was such an opportunity that most people don't get opportunity. Yeah, that so
Mindy Cohn 06:09
yeah, so many people mocked him. He was one of the kindest men ever.
Meetings really. 15 years after we're just about a Christmas card every year. They're just such he and his wife are people. So yeah,
Mindy Cohn 06:20
I love hearing that. Yeah. Um, you keep coming? Because we've known each other so long. And like, I don't know, um, do you have a hidden talent?
I think my hidden talent is not one that most people find particularly interesting. But I could count in my head without the use of a calculator in certain circumstances. So I used to work for good daily and I was in the control room, and people would have stopwatches and they were obsessed with having to get breaks at a certain time. And I would know that if we went to break, it was like, 834 34 that, like when we came back, we'd have two minutes and 27 seconds. And they're like, how do you know which time and I felt like it was like a human stopwatch. And at the same time, there are times when I will be in the middle of the day, no, watch it nothing on me. And it feels like it's, you know, 237 and I'll look at the clock and it'll turn from 236 to 237. So I think my hidden talent is probably a neuroses of really keeping track of
Mindy Cohn 07:21
it's called a producer. Thanks for playing. Like human clock, and you're like, Yeah, no, it's yours. For sure.
Okay, um, but don't ask me to like speak a foreign language. And I don't like play any instruments. I'm not doing a
Mindy Cohn 07:39
stopwatch to come in handy. We never know. If you could have dinner with any three people. Who would they be? And why? Gosh, those questions are always
so hard, because I know that you're supposed to, and you're supposed to pick like a historical figure or a biblical figure, but I'm so close to like family. And if I could, like, revisit and like, spend more time with my grandmother, it would be like, that means everything to me, or, or get to know my dad's my mom's dad died a year and a half before I was born. And all anyone says is he was like the kindest man that they ever met and his spirit lives on to this day. I would love to have time with him. I think that I, I tend to go with the emotion more than the history. So I think it would all be kind of family members that
Mindy Cohn 08:22
that answer and that is the correct answer. Like you know what I mean, it doesn't have to be some, you know? Yeah. Okay. Hi. Jesus. I don't even know.
More interesting right now.
Mindy Cohn 08:41
Lauren roosh. When was the last time you cried?
Well, there's two examples of crime. I could cry at a YouTube video or in a commercial and that happens like almost daily, the little things touch me, but like that deep over life circumstance, crime doesn't happen very often. I've gotten years and years and years of that crime and within my this is not a funny story, but it kind of is funny in a weird way. I'm not known for necessarily being a crier, and I was at my other grandfather's funeral, and I was handling everything fine. And out of the blue. It was like one of those god awful gotta roll cries and I got the entire place in tears. And it was so dramatic. And David was like,
Mindy Cohn 09:26
coming from David. Your husband's?
Mindy Cohn 09:38
Yeah, no, I get that. I get
that. But like certain movies, right, I get your this movie will be crying.
Mindy Cohn 09:47
Out of joy and happiness. 90% of the time sentimentality. Two, of course, but I saw one of the last times I saw you cry was of course that your anniversary and that was really beautiful.
Your anniversary party. Happy things. And I also cry over. I watched the today show every morning and they do these like moments of like the moments to celebrate. And if there's ever anyone surprising their kids that have been away in the military, and hugging their
Mindy Cohn 10:15
kids, like pop out, surprise them. Oh, that's that's Yes. Yeah. All right. Last question. What's the last thing you binge on? Oh, that's
a good question. This whole time of pandemic, we've been watching so much television. And I think the one thing I was never really a big fan of in the past that I now bingeing on a stand up comedy, which is so strange, I had not been that guy that sits and watches shows that I think that the world is so crazy right now that I have probably watched 15 standup routines in the past two weeks, or maybe even more than that. We just keep watching them over. And so that's interesting, I think people.
Mindy Cohn 10:54
It used to just be like an HBO thing. And now with Netflix, and all these other big players, they're cultivating these amazing talents where they are getting these pretty solid specials. Yeah, I agree with you. Like we're looking for that that light in the eyes. So we're turning those on because it's easy. That has nothing to do with COVID. Right. I mean, obviously, they were recorded pre great to have fun.
Loren Ruch 11:18
Things that don't happen that often.
Mindy Cohn 11:22
So how gobsmacked were you on Instagram? This is you know, that Tim Levy's Theatre Company, there were people in the theater
know, they're getting it together. And anyway, it's really incredible, actually. So
Mindy Cohn 11:36
I mean, with masks, but they're in a theater and I literally, I almost cried.
Like there isn't a light at the end of this tunnel like and yeah, joy to be there to be seen and all the stuff that we love to do. Maybe so happy.
Mindy Cohn 11:52
Yeah. All right. So here we go. Let's talk about your creative process. As you define it, I mean, whatever it means to you, when I say that, and your trajectory, and how you infuse. And for me, you're one of the most incredible type of creatives where you actually mirror inspiration ideas, and bring them into fruition as a storyteller, but also, you the big boss, daddy.
It's fun, though. Because I think at the core, you hit the nail on the head. Like I like to think of myself, I like to think of all of us as storytellers. I mean, that's the core of what if someone was sick? Would you really do for a living, it's getting to tell stories. And I just happen to do it for HGTV where I feel like they're stories that always have blue skies and happy endings. And so it's a world that makes me proud to be part of, I'm not ever embarrassed to put my name on one of my shows, because it's the type of programming that people sit and watch and public, you'll either happier or smarter or more inspired as a result of. But our process is interesting, at least for what I do is I oversee the programming team at HGTV, right. And so we have a certain number of shows that come from internal brainstorms and internal development meetings where we sit with our team, and we come up with ideas, and then we figure out how are we going to execute them. And then we have other ideas that are pitched to us from production companies that have either found amazing, or have great concepts. And then we get to collaborate with them, and figure out how to best tell the story so that it fits our brand. And so it's neat, because it gets my brain gets to be split between Park business person and park creative, like, at the core is the story. But I also need to know who our audience is. And I also need to know what's appropriate for HGTV. And so right, it's kind of finding all of those and combining all of them and making sure that what we're seeing when we're sitting at home on our television reflects exactly what we're trying to see what we're putting the concepts together.
Mindy Cohn 13:40
Right. But it's interesting that you said it when you said brand, I immediately went Oh, and again, it's because I think I've just known you so long. How do you know? or How did you all decide when the brand is kind of changing? Because as a network, and I've noticed this with all kind of script shows? Yeah, they they there is attack at some point that you guys kind of don't do a whole rehaul but evolve? How do you know when to do it? Why do you do it? Obviously, for ratings, I'm assuming but like, how does that
springs up part of it is wondering where an audience wants to go. Because if you get too stagnant, that is something becomes not very interesting. And we actually were at a point A few years ago, where we stepped back and admitted, a lot of our shows are starting to look exactly the same. And people didn't even necessarily know the name of the show, because it was yet another cube couple flipping houses type of thing. And so we thought, how do we stay within the brand that is ours, but push the boundaries a little bit more. And so someone internal meeting came up with the idea that the Brady Bunch house was for sale, for example, right? That's something in the past, we would have never bought a house. We're a network. We're not property managers. But it was an idea that we felt like we should run with because it felt like it would hit the cultural Zeitgeist of what people wanted to see. And so it's fun to push the boundaries. More recently, we have a show called renovation Island and it's like do you think our Yeah, it's doing really well and we really do think interviewers still consider a hotel, a home, if it's done by a family, if it has qualities, you know, they're reading there. They're living there as a family and producer. Yeah. And it worked. And so I think part of the fun for me is seeing how far we can go. We just did Martha knows best with Martha Stewart, which is like putting energy back in HGTV. We know we've done gardening in years. And we were I was going to ask you about that. Yeah. I just wanted to see if like, if that's going too far, or if our audience likes it, and they like it. So it's fun to kind of play around.
Mindy Cohn 15:32
I think, again, I was just gonna say like, post COVID people have gotten back into garden. Yeah, yeah. And there are more landscape shows on more networks, right. And yes, I love putting the genie back in HGTV. I love that funny. Yeah, there's this incredible little nursery that's not too far from where I live. It's something haggard DS or something in Hollywood. Every time I have driven past it's probably since I won't say immediately into the pandemic, but we'll say like, probably early May, there is consistently a line around the block of penal six feet apart, waiting to get into a nursery to shop like to the point where I was like, are they selling drugs? Like I went on Yelp to see what was up and it was just like, everybody, it's it has five stars out of like, 700 reviews on Yelp, that people are like, this is just the best store, they have the best products, reasonable prices, amazing people, and they help you cultivate this garden of your own. And I'm like, this really is like a thing right now. So appealing.
those doors that even the thought of having like your own little slice of Paradise is Yeah, so my mom watch Martha knows best. And she sends me a text. She's my biggest fan, slash critic depending on the machine. She goes, I never thought it was into interested in gardening until I saw the show. Like I think people are also realizing in quarantine, that they want a little bit of space, they want to cook more they want to garden more, they just takes on a different meaning when you're there all the time. Yeah,
Mindy Cohn 17:01
the other thing you're really good at Lauren is and I don't think people I think people miss this and how an such an important component and a hard component component to handle is you're not just producing the show and content, but you're usually dealing with a personality or personalities. Like Martha, like the guys from the Brady Bunch your hosts property, property versus property, you know, stuff like that, that you are also dealing with talent. Yeah. And that's also a very different skill.
I think for us, though, it's easier than for a lot of a lot of networks, because we're dealing with experts. And so the thing about the talent in our space, is they're doing what they love, more or less. And so you're not dealing with like, after egos or diva moments, it really leads me Not you.
Mindy Cohn 17:56
I mean, there's there's always gonna be people are persnickety or have their yes and so forth. But like I'd say overall, people joke that that have come to work for us, it worked at other networks. And they're like, you guys found the secret sauce, like the nicest people on camera, because they love to do for the most.
Mindy Cohn 18:14
Well, we also hear from, you know, other networks within your community of the nightmares of of the talent, and yet they're an important component because that really is a lot of where the fan base can come from. Not just the show, right?
I mean, to the viewer, no one cares about me. I know they care about who they see on camera, except for you. They really do they care about the people that are representing when they watch HGTV, they want to know how are the Property Brothers? Not they're not asking like how is the production process? You know? So I think it's I think it's,
Mindy Cohn 18:47
what's it been like as far as getting going on new shows? I mean, you haven't stopped for a moment. You and our mutual friend are one of the few people I know who I mean, the workload did not stop.
He got he got busier because what happened was the minute that the pandemic kind of struck, we were trying to think of how do we keep fresh content on camera. And so we did a couple different things. So the first thing that we did is we started to look for what are some quarantine jobs, what are things that we could shoot where people still shoot them, it doesn't involve any cruise, they're fully safe and completely socially distanced. And so we came up with three shows, we did something called designing your door, where your favorite HGTV talent would surprise you by zoom, see a room in your house that needed to be renovated, and send you concrete with all the materials and you have to do it yourself. I
Mindy Cohn 19:37
love that and I really wish I was
presenting their makeover back to our hosts. And so our hosts were all crying. They were so proud that these people did the work like that was a quarantine only we would have probably never done it in another environment. The other thing we did that kept us so busy was we started to tap into exactly what you were talking about before Christian would like the gardening it's like what do people care about times like this. We Thought of gardening, which is why the Martha Stewart show came about. We thought organizational so we did a show called hot mess house where a woman by zoom taught you how to completely get your house organized so that if you're stuck within these four walls, everything's in its place. We started just thinking like what's Top of Mind during a time like this. And then once we finished that we moved on to our their acquisitions, or their shows that are out there that have already been produced and ready that have never been aired, so that we get keeping fresh new stuff on the air. And then the third part is planning for post COVID. So then it's like lining up a bunch of stuff. Because when this is over, people are going to want to see new content. And so we've literally never been busier, it's been like, non stop from March 10 on or whenever that time was that is just insane, but wonderful. And in terms of staying creative and staying busy, awful in terms of obviously the state of the world. But on on a personal practice carries very kind of, I don't know, emotionally charged in a good way.
Mindy Cohn 20:57
Yeah. Post winning the Emmy or nominated Joe Brady renovation. In God's ears. I happen to know someone who's just not have to be not just with HGTV, but you know, um, you do something, and I really, I hope I'm not overstepping my bounds, but you do something with our mutual friend. And your husband's? Yeah, if you feel comfortable. Yeah, totally.
Mindy Cohn 21:30
love you to share that because it is inspiring. And I think it'll inspire a lot of people to do their version of what you guys,
it's been probably one of the most important things that I've ever done in my life. It's called success. Yes. Basically, what we've done is created this forum,
Mindy Cohn 21:45
and let everybody know, you, you made this. Like, it's a sudden, like long term thing, I found it on YouTube. And I'm
actually not the intention yet. But basically, what we do is, it's two couples that are best friends, many knows, we go way back all of us, and we've known each other forever and ever, and we get together once a year. And we put together what we want to accomplish for that year, how we're going to do it, and check back on the year before to see what we accomplished from the previous year. But it's a completely no holds barred approach to it, you share absolutely everything, there are no secrets. And so you start off you share your financials, you share your you break it down into categories, business, right, there's personal health, relationships, purchases, it's really this comprehensive way of determining everything that you want to accomplish. But it's not just throwing it out in the universe and hoping that it happens, it's also coming up with bullet points for what you're going to do to make it happen. And then we make a plan, and we do them in where we always would consider an inspirational location. So it's also kind of a mini vacation. So we've gone to different beaches or like amazing places, and it's four hours per person, it's hardcore, there are literally tears in certain people every year, like it hits home for certain people at different times. But it's really powerful. And we went back to like the original one, we've done it and I think it's 21 years.
Mindy Cohn 23:17
I was just gonna say it's got to be 21 years, I was thinking this was just like started a couple years ago, like been going on forever.
I found that I had listed I was living in LA and is working for the news and just in a completely different place than I am now. And one of the things that I put on a long term you so every five years, you also put together long term goals so that you're always thinking of bigger things, then then only the next year. And I said I would like to live in New York and be a network executive, our cable network. I mean, that's like, pretty specific stuff. And, and like we put countries that we wanted to visit and it's it's just been insanely powerful truly
Mindy Cohn 23:54
well. I mean, to me, it's the it's the cross between having an accountability coach and an intimacy something because you you the four of you are each other's family, best friends, you know, ad nauseum to it. And I just was always so inspired. And I remember when it first got going it inspired me to sort of find a couple people to confide in all of those things. And we do now we don't have the same organized, but it's really always moved me Do
you also realize like how many secrets we all have from the people that are closest to us. And it's not like we're doing it intentionally it's just the way that relationships are so big brand deal as well. And being like it was a good year I earned this measure was a bad year, right? Oh, this mountain credit card, right? Want to buy a house or, or, you know, my relationship more intimate or whatever, it could be anything. And so it's very powerful to just let that stuff out because there's no shame in talking about it and you end up finding solutions to work towards just making yourself happier as a result of it.
Mindy Cohn 24:55
Yeah. So where Where's your Can I ask? Just come around. We are wise, I know that you are, this is in no way trying to get you out of HGTV by any stretch that I know how much they love you and you love it. But we you share one of your aspirations of something that you still have not gotten to do or want to do.
I think one of the things that I would like to do, which I probably do, maybe in addition to what I'm doing, I think I want to become a life coach at some point because I'm seeing people who are working with coaches and the power that it gives them and the inspiration that it gives them. And I think I would like to do that in a way that I don't I'm not ready to I don't want to be a therapist, I don't want to go into that direction. But I think that there'll be something really empowering about getting to like mental people that don't know what direction they want to go in that. I don't know, there's something there because I feel like I love what I'm doing. And I keep thinking like, there's not another cable network I'd rather work with there's not another type of production, I would enjoy more. Okay, so that was I don't know,
Mindy Cohn 25:51
may I just interrupted that by saying that was so that was my I wanted to ask you that there's such deliciousness and networks under the umbrella, right? There's HGTV there's the Travel Channel, there's the Food Network, but um, you know, discover there's all kinds, is there anything else that you would like to be able to put your brain behind?
Well, I would like to work on what I call hybrid shows, I've always been intrigued by when different lanes cross. And so like a show that combines both food and home, a show that invites travel and food. I want to play more in mixed lanes instead of only pure home renovation or pure house hunting. And I think that's where does discovery networks are it's so many networks, and they're all anything world of unscripted, basically. And so I think that there may be room to test the waters in the same way that we were talking before. How if our audience is open to hotels, why aren't they open to traveling in search of the best food? Seeing how people live in places? You know, there's there's ways of combining a lot of different worlds together
Mindy Cohn 26:54
well, and you know, the show that I still want to do I mean, so I I totally want to travel around the world and find the best bathrooms.
It's interesting, honestly, because they're so different.
Mindy Cohn 27:08
Genius. It's I know no but me and my friend, I've always wanted to adopt those two English ladies. I want a motorcycle in a sidecar with with my friend and I want to travel all around the world. And I always have to potty. So it's like it's a thing for me. It's really a thing. And I think I can't be alone
we would title for the show while you
Mindy Cohn 27:26
find. You find the why you find the best hotel to stay in and the best food also, it's very important. Where's the cleanest spot? So yes,
your new show potty around the world. Okay.
Mindy Cohn 27:52
I think your first episode too, because I was in Cambria not too long ago and there was literally a sandwich board outside of a gas station that said cleanest bathroom in California. Well listen. Listen, when we you know like you guys, we traveled to Peru and Iceland. It really is a source of conversation of where where to go. And then once we find it we get back into the van or the our cars are walking and go How was that? Like we read a
book to not dementia? Yeah.
Mindy Cohn 28:29
Okay, yeah. I am now over YouTube and this vocal whatever it's called that word. copywriting. Thank you so much. I have to say, I think it's amazing to going back to what you said about the shows like Mindy asked you, what you You know what, what's kind of next, and you're thinking about these hybrid shows. I mean, most people as they're succeeding in their career, like dialing back, that's the pressures of the job and like, you're taking two very heavy pressure filled producing type aspects of a show and adding together I
think it makes it more fun. I mean, like we are, we are curing cancer, and we know that so like, why not have fun is that we're like, telling stories and playing games for a living. That's all it really is truly is the like, if you look at it that way, it's a lot of hard work. I'm not gonna lie, work a bajillion hours, and they're stressful. Whatever, all that stuff goes along with it, but at the core of it. It's a lot of fun. It's like the hidden secret where you always hear people saying, don't get into this line of work unless it's all you think about it. I'm like, I love it. I don't know why I don't think there's negativity, what you want to do to do it now.
Mindy Cohn 29:40
Most of our guests are of that, right that there is a joy and a passion and an excitement about the work and about doing it and
and realize that what a blessing that is. Yeah,
Mindy Cohn 29:56
yes. So what what is your current source of inspiration? What do you or you and David do? Read? See that inspires you.
I mean, prior to the last couple months, you know, I'm a complete travel junkie, like obsessed with it, like you. And so my goal was always one on one trip on the way home. Like I live, live to travel and that's been really interesting is to find creativity when you're homebound because this is by far the longest I've ever been at home. And so I'm trying to, I think that my new source of inspiration is more localized travel. So I am walking, I made a vow, I have not stepped on the subway or training within New York City, I will walk anywhere, I don't care how far it is, into the city is now kind of become its own oyster. And it's been kind of fun. And so I think I still have the travel bug and I'm just gonna have to localize it for the time being until the world opens up again.
Mindy Cohn 30:52
Well, you're one of the most perfect cities to do that. That's true. Second option. You got a couple options there. Yeah, and I have to say your pick your and David's pictures on Instagram of the city by night have been so I mean, I'm I'm seriously pining a night. I know. October, October. Yeah, I just cannot wait any longer. Yeah, yeah, I know. You do. One. Yes. Thank you so much. This has been such a kick in the pants.
I will do this. I'll be back. I'll be back tomorrow. Even if you're not recording I'll do
is sit there Wait. I'm just gonna wait till this camera pops on. Whether you know whether or not there's a show.
Mindy Cohn 31:41
I wish you tremendous success. And I am so excited to see you with your new me. Fingers crossed, everything crossed. And I wish you luck. But I don't have to because you just make things happen. And it's the beauty that is you. And I adore you.
I love you. I love you. And I want to thank you for letting me be honest. And I know that you'll probably cut this part out but I think you're just a wonderful person. You've had been such a good friend for so many years and like this is just like such a fun little way to get to just have a conversation like this and talk about ourselves.
Mindy Cohn 32:11
But now you have to you have to tell Mindy something nice to you know, close it by saying something nice to say thanks. Give a big give a big hug to David for me. We'll do
we'll do and say hi to LA crowds is I'm not able to see anybody. So if you do
Mindy Cohn 32:31
a course Of course, of course, we will. And I want to I want to let our viewers and our listeners know to check out the Instagram which again will be on Mondays affendi.com there'll be some show notes so you can link up and see all the stuff that he is working on as a part of you can check out the Brady renovation but check out his Instagram. If you'd like travel, it is a happy optimistic hopeful and beautiful Instagram. To to appreciate it's I don't think there's any photo on there that I don't like double tap every time I see it. I'm always like, ah so amazing. So
a little Instagram always is so
Mindy Cohn 33:07
it's perfect. It's perfect. Perfect. So thank you again for joining us. We're so grateful to have you ladies and gentlemen. The very talented Mr. Barnard