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Mindy Cohn 00:01
Hi everyone, welcome back to another episode of Monday's with Monday. Hey Christian.
Christian Brescia 00:06
Hi Mindy ! Hi everybody. Welcome back to the show.
Mindy Cohn 00:08
Today we're going to be having a conversation with actor, writer, producer, director and talk show host Jerry O'Connell. Born and raised in New York City. Jerry began his acting career at a very young age 11 when he landed his first feature film, Rob Reiner's, stand by me. I mean a classic, classic. Lots of commercials and television followed but Jerry decided to enter NYU and graduated in 1995. Well, it took so long for him because he continued to work on his summer breaks and also during his junior year, took some time off to start in four seasons of a television series called sliders during its fourth and final season. That's when Jerry started to produce, write and direct the series as well. Jerry then went on to star in a slew of movies including Jerry Maguire mission to Mars body shots screen to kangaroo jack. He also sold his first screenplay first daughter, from 2001 to 2007. Jerry starred as Detective woody Holt in nbcs crime drama crossing Jordan, and since then he's done. numerous television and films. Basically, the man has not stopped working, or challenging himself, first appeared on Broadway and seminar alongside Alan Rickman, and in 2020 Oh, I was so lucky to see one of his performances appeared in roundabout theaters Broadway revival of a show of soldiers play, which was going strong until it went dark during COVID. Currently, he voices commander jack ransom on the animated series Star Trek, lower decks. Jerry lives with his wife, actress Rebecca romaine, and their two twin girls.
Christian Brescia 01:46
Amazing, I'm very excited to meet him and bring him into the show, ladies and gentlemen, big round of applause for Jerry O'Connell.
Jerry O'Connell 01:52
Yeah, it's such an honor to be here.
Mindy Cohn 01:57
Oh, please, this makes me so so so happy. Um, we start each episode by Christian and I kind of came up with 20 questions, and I picked five at random, and we just do a deep dive. Let's go. Thank you for being outside and showing us fresh air.
Jerry O'Connell 02:15
I have to come outside because I have two children. They're continually on Tick Tock. And there is no bandwidth left in my house. So I have to come to a park. About a half a mile from my house. I'm directly under a 5g Tower as we speak. I can feel the COVID hitting me in the face.
Mindy Cohn 02:32
Oh my gosh, I sense the power. Thank you. Um, Jerry, what's your favorite place to travel to and why?
My favorite place to travel to I mean, I am originally from New York City and I do live in a little hamlet of Southern California called Calabasas. This is a public park here at Calabasas wild walnut Park if you anybody's driving past come on over a really good Wi Fi service. I really like going back to New York. I just love the public transportation. I love the fact that when you leave your door, it's on you know, there's just there's an intensity to the city that can be intimidating. You know, my wife is from Northern California. And my wife just doesn't like public transportation or like the stress of like leaving of like New York. My wife likes her car. like sitting in her car. Yeah, her music, her space. I mean, occasionally someone flips you off on the road, but like it's like your it's like your world. But I really like going to New York for vacation wise, I love going to south of Cancun Tulum. Oh, very nice. Nice. It is part of the Caribbean. So you get that Caribbean water and it's a little more cost effective than Cancun. I know as movie stars. I'm not supposed to talk about the cost of vacations I'm just supposed to like make believe I'm in my private jet go down there but they do have direct flights, commercial flights, unfortunately. Sorry. Hollywood stardom world. So flying to Cancun and driving down to Tulum is is really nice.
Mindy Cohn 04:19
Nice. I appreciate that because you asked um I mean, what is my opinion matter in any of this? Nothing? Clearly. What assumption do people make about you? And they're wrong?
Jerry O'Connell 04:33
What assumption do people make about me? You know what's funny? I guess some well I can't believe I'm just diving right into this which
Mindy Cohn 04:43
makes me so happy
Jerry O'Connell 04:44
do it. I guess it's our common space in a little bit is I was in standby me when I was younger, you can look it up. Great movie. I was 11 and I just recently watched on Hulu solei Moon fries, Kid 90 ducky. And I think people assume because I wasn't stand by me, I would have and should have been in Seoul, a moon fries documentary or I was running with like a rat pack or a Brat Pack or, you know, I was part of sort of childhood stardom, but I was not I, you know, stand by me came out I just wasn't. I lived in New York. Neither of my parents were in the entertainment industry. I didn't have an ancient I didn't have representation. And I was not part of a kid celebrity culture, you know? Yeah. It's funny when I was a little older, I did do an episode of Charles in Charge. If anyone remembers the famous sitcom starring Scott and Williams, correct.
Mindy Cohn 05:48
I did one tale.
Jerry O'Connell 05:50
I did an episode of that. And I got a you know, it's so funny. They had the onset school there where you go to school in the trailer right outside of the studio. And I remember thinking like, this is it this is Hollywood, like, check it out. But that was my only sort of glimpse into celebrity kid culture. So a lot of people think I'm from that world, but I really only visited once on my one episode, it wasn't even an art. It was a one episode. It was a one and done on Charles in Charge. I thought for sure my character they were gonna make it recurring or something. And
Mindy Cohn 06:29
I'm glad then you escaped the like Hollywood. Madness. So good on you.
I don't know if I escaped it. I do. Say I watched that. I watched that solely moon fried documentary. It kind of made me bummed out. I wasn't invited. Like,
no, don't do I watch that they were all going to Disney World, the Universal Studios now.
Mindy Cohn 06:49
So doing copious amounts of like drugs. And they, you know, all I can say is thank goodness that iPhones weren't around back then. Because you wonder how many of them would have had careers if some of that behavior was like seeing, you know what I'm trying to say? You
know, it is it is a different, you know, social media is just a completely different culture. And it's so crazy to because I have 212 year old daughters. Yeah, it's so crazy to see them in a tick tock culture and growing up in that, you know, it's so funny. My daughters who I really tried to let them know that social media, it means nothing. It's not real. It's fun. Like you can use it. I love Instagram, Mindy, I follow you on Instagram. I love I love each other. Yes. I like how you are talking to them about it. It's fun to keep up with people you know, and see people you know, but it's not real life. Well, it's just so funny. Yeah, well, just to let you know, something that like happened like last night and this story, I'm just warning you this story is not going to have an ending. Um,
Mindy Cohn 07:51
I have another question. So just hitting
my wife is currently working in Toronto, so I'm with my daughter's right now. And so a lot of times I'm in my bed and I'm watching TV and one of my daughters will come into bed with me right before bedtime. And they're typically right before bedtime. I know the Stig see a terrible parent they should be reading but typically that's like their social media that's like their Tick Tock time when they really like blast through it and like usually create content oh my gosh, I should just hit like leave
Mindy Cohn 08:24
I feel you
creating content but so my daughter came downstairs and went dad let me show you this video I I made for tic Tock everybody's doing it. And I guess it's part of a challenge and if you recall on Tick Tock This is how old I am and your young viewers are about to make fun of me but there was like some sort of challenge where some songs they played over and over again where it was someone like looking normal standing in a doorway and then the lights went red and they were very like sexually provocatively like rubbing up against the door. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about? I
Mindy Cohn 08:57
do unfortunately I do. Well, I
thought it was like an earthquake prevention thing because that's where you're supposed to stand if the earthquake happens. But they're actually like in like lingerie just going like found. Oh, Jerry.
Mindy Cohn 09:12
Oh, holy hell yes. You know what I'm talking about Mindy. I didn't see you do that doorway challenge. Let me tell you in the words of my granny rose, may she rest in peace? I am not on the TIC Tock. I am only on the Instagram. No my I'm not. I feel like there are laws against people like me. I look at it but no we I have aged out of tik tok. Thanks for playing. Sorry about the aircraft flying over. I am in a public park. My neighbor is building a new home so it's constructed.
Over here. My daughter gets into bed with me last night and shows me a video that she made. There's a challenge right now, where it's my parents in the 90s Okay, and it's a challenge. And so my daughter did it and she showed a lot of photos of my My wife, Rebecca romaine, you can look her up was a very successful model in the 90s. Yes. And I was like a basic cable TV star in the 90s. That was like my jam. I was like,
Mindy Cohn 10:15
starred in multiple series, give me a break, Jerry,
I was first run syndication, like colors. So my daughter cut together a thing using older photos of boss and my daughter was like, I'm gonna post this, they typically asked me, like, if they can post something or not, because I explained to them, like, some things are offensive, you know, blah, blah, blah, it's
Mindy Cohn 10:35
kind of huge. I gotta say, I love that they
ask you your permission, but you know, I don't have any blocks on their phones. And that's only because I don't know how to do it. Like, I don't know how to do it. I just like, the fact that I zoomed into this call and it's working. That's a win. Right there. Okay,
Mindy Cohn 10:53
we're already winning. Okay, good.
This pandemic has totally exposed the fact that I am like, whatever it are, like tech savvy, or like, back in my day, like Radio Shack, people are good at I am not good at
Mindy Cohn 11:07
Listen, I always tell Christian and he knows this about me. I am technically Amish. That's what I say to everyone. He just said makes it really clear where Tonto Mindy is. Okay. All right, Jerry, what
I want to say I want to say that my daughter, oh, it looked at it. And it was photos of my wife and modeling and stuff. And like, you know, it was like modeling stuff. And like me being like a TV actor. And my daughter was like, Can I post it? And I was like, You know what, Honey, don't post it. And she was like, why? Like I could tell she was like kind of proud that her parents like, because a lot of her classmates were doing it. And I was like, well, your mom was a model and you're showing photos of her on the cover of magazines. And I was a basic cable TV star, it's kind of a show off the it's a little boasting. And I wouldn't post it if I were you. And she didn't post it. And that I told you my story had no ending, really. But it's just like, a lot of times I go through social media, and especially Instagram. And a lot of times, it's like, I don't want to say it makes me feel bad. It just makes me feel like I'm not doing enough with my life or career.
Mindy Cohn 12:14
I think it lends itself to that whole thing of comparing despair. If you go on a deep dive in any of social media, so no, I feel that I kind of love that. You said that to her. And I love that she got it,
especially now during this time in our lives. Yeah, you know, it's not even really hurting. It's just like, I can only like personally like, you know, while I'm very pleased to have my kids and they're in school and my wife is working. It's been very slow for me saying professionally and yeah, I acutely aware of, you know, creating FOMO you know what I'm saying? And, and I applaud it. Yeah. And I, I told my daughter, I was like, I don't know, you know, I just I don't think you should post it. And it's just so funny. That culture, I know very little about it, but it's fun to raise kids who are I mean, like, you know, like social media natives like I'm a social media immigrant, like I didn't like this is like new to me. And you know, and for my kids, they It was around before them, you know? Yeah,
Mindy Cohn 13:15
yeah. Amazing. The end of that story, I'm sorry. It's quite alright. Um, what's the best advice you've been given? And who gave it? Um,
I've been given our pearls of wisdom. The best advice I've been given, I guess, came from, I was working on a TV show. And I was arguing with my boss, who was like the showrunner of a TV show. I didn't want to say a line and a TV show. And one of the writers who's a good friend of mine pulled me aside and was like, Why are you fighting this this person? And I was like, I'm not saying that line. It's stupid. You know, I know better. Bla bla bla. And he said to me, please don't fight these people. You're never going to win. You're never going to beat these people. So just do it and stop being such like a crabby person about it. Like, it just makes it you're just bringing everybody down. You're just not going to win. So sometimes, when dealing with superiors, I know this is sort of the antithesis of what I probably shouldn't be saying, which is like, if you don't feel comfortable with something, you got to fight them. You have to fight. You know, but
Mindy Cohn 14:19
no, but also as after sometimes for me, it's been about how do I make this work? That's my challenge. How do I make this line come out? And I don't look like an asshole
and just don't fight the poWER. It's like, yeah, don't fight the powers. I think something else happens to I mean, I know I said earlier, I wasn't one. But you know, I was kind of a child star. Mindy.
Mindy Cohn 14:39
You know that to be true? Yes.
So a lot of times what would happen before I got that great bit of advice, which was stop fighting them, you're not going to win. Sometimes I think I know more than other people because I've been doing it for like 35 years. Yes. And
Mindy Cohn 14:56
that's a bad attitude. All right. Listen, all we have is our time. And our reputation and those little things, like follow us around. And so I learned to there's a way to sort of say, Oh, I'm uncomfortable doing this, but I'll give it a go. Let it be their decision that they rewrite the line. You know what I mean? Right? Whatever. Yeah, there you go. I hear ya.
I hear ya. Here's a lesson that we pulled out of that. Here's the takeaway. Okay. I feel uncomfortable doing this, but I'll give it a go. That's what I'm gonna say next several months. That
Mindy Cohn 15:27
goes a long way, kiddo. Yeah, we're doing this, but I'll give it a go. Come on. Let's go rollers. cameras. Ready? Yes. And you know what, I guarantee you nine times out of 10. You'll surprise yourself. I mean, it. That's been my experience. That's all I can say.
When I also get a play where I heard the piece of advice wasn't given to me it was given to someone else. Again, I'm not adhering to the you know, follow your gut you got to do a coworker was having a little trouble saying a line and was telling a playwright, I don't want to say this line. And playwrights are very protective of their material. And I heard the playwright say to the performer, why don't you say it 10,000 times and then see if it feels a little more comfortable saying
Mindy Cohn 16:15
away? That's fantastic.
We were We were like at a table and it was like, it was almost like watching like your like your mom and your stepdad like fight. And like you're
Mindy Cohn 16:31
being the playwright just made your mom feel like a shrinky Dink.
But I remember like sitting there at a table, and it was just like sitting there listening to the argument. And the argument went on for a while. Wow. Yeah. And then the playwright said, Why don't you say 10,000 times and then see if it feels more comfortable. And I remember sitting there and just being like, oh,
Mindy Cohn 16:52
by the way, because you said this, and I'm sure it's not the play that you're talking about. I don't care if it is, but I didn't go backstage because I just get all your brilliant soldiers play really, it was called backstage, many
actors listening, if you have any connection to cast or anyone in a play, you are supposed to go backstage now. I forget who told me that but you are supposed to even if you don't want to.
Mindy Cohn 17:25
I know. I just get so shy and weird and introverted. Believe it or not. So anyway. Alright, next question, where I will
tell you this. I was in that play. And I will tell you a famous actor. You know, we're very discreet here on your podcast, whose initials are Liev Schreiber also told me that he did not come backstage, and I said, why not? You're supposed to and Mr. Shriver just went, I don't you know, I don't do that. I don't do that. I don't. I don't like do that. So some people, I think, in your defense, I think some people like it's a little bit of like, you know, maybe you feel people are like coming off of work, and you don't want to bother them. But yes, well, some Broadway professional, somebody big time told me you have to go backstage,
Mindy Cohn 18:10
every time. People have been lovely. I just sometimes I am having a very shy moment or Yeah, whatever. And anyway, okay, Jerry, I'm asking you another question. What's your guilty pleasure? Do you have one? No, yeah, I
have a lot. I'm just trying to think of what is the most what is the most guilty like I was about to say, like, I have like a, I have a real sweet tooth. But that's kind of lame. I want something a little dirtier than that. I want to give you something a little dirty. Not lame. That's hilarious. No, it's kind of lame. It's just like, I like chocolate after pleasure. Let me think of Well, I know one of your you know why cuz I'm gonna tell you. Yeah, guilty pleasure is 90 day fiance reality show. If anyone watches it, it is just nice. I think it's the best show on TV. And I'm actually not even like, this isn't even a bit. It's the best show on television. The storylines are real. Me can write this. Yeah. It's not even that you can't write it. It's so American, because it's typically either someone coming to the States, or they do 90 day fiance the other way, someone leaving the states with storylines where someone goes to a country in the Middle East, and then has to deal with a whole new set of cultural norms. Whereas maybe someone was a little more liberated in the United States and watching new cultural norms, sort of inhibit those freedoms. It is crazy to watch and actually kind of scary. Um, I cringe a lot at it. There's currently something going on with a French girl who is trying to meet some dude and It's during the pandemic. And there's all kinds of like, restrictions and the dude, it's just not really the woman was detained in a Mexican city jail. Oh, my word. Yes. And he went on the vacation they were supposed to go on. And I know, I was shocked. I'm telling you the show.
Mindy Cohn 20:20
They are no longer together.
I don't believe they are. It's sort of in the middle of that season. But it's a 90 day fiance. It's a great show. It's really funny characters.
Mindy Cohn 20:35
All right. I'll take your word for it, though. I did see a half of one season, but I think it was a long time ago. And it was like a train wreck.
So I really, I really suggest you check it out. Deep Dive Really? Yeah, it's really good. You know, so I love below deck on Bravo.
Mindy Cohn 20:51
Great show. Great. It's really fun. It's always a I don't judge people physically. Everybody knows that about me. But they're super hot. A cast. Everyone's always good looking. Agreed. And they're in super tight quarters. And they all have physical relations with each other. And then they work with each other the neck. Yeah. And it's not walk of shame. It's like career of shame because you have to work with the next day. Yeah, it's
Mindy Cohn 21:25
no, it's so good. It's so good. I'm obsessed myself. So like,
there's also like life or death stuff like maritime life. Forget stuff. It's really, it's a good show. It's also terrible. I've never worked in the hospitality industry, but like, sometimes there's terrible guests. People who just like believe because they paid and they are probably paying exorbitant. Yes, prices that they can do and say whatever they want. So it's really, it's
Mindy Cohn 21:54
I'm so surprised that they know they're being filmed. They still act that way. It's shocking. It's shocking. Yeah.
I think also, oh, and you know, what else happens is? I mean, I'm not a scientist, but I think when you get drunk on a boat, you get drunk, or just because it's like moving and stuff. I mean, we've all been on booze cruises, like you get drunk or on a booze cruise. And I think people get drunker on boats. And I mean, I don't have to tell anybody listening to this, you know, booze and reality television. Like, cookies and milk. No, no, no, no. And, you know, when you get drunk primaries on that show, it's a wish. Yeah. Good. unscripted. Television.
Mindy Cohn 22:43
Agreed. Agreed. All right. Last question. Who is your favorite relative? And why?
You know, I just my brother just had a child. Oh, my gosh, like five months old? Yeah, I'll send you a photo. It's on this phone that I'm talking to you when I'll send you a photo. So during the podcast, you can like flash it in. But very cute, baby. Very cute, very funny, baby. And it's so cute. I mean, again, this story has no ending. But you know, I'm, I'm very close with my brother. And he's a little bit older. He's 46. He's a year younger than me. And this is his first child. But I really see my brother's face from when he was younger. And this, like little baby's face. It's uncanny. To me. It's crazy. It's really funny.
Mindy Cohn 23:31
To be so excited.
They are very, very excited. It's really funny how grandkids really make parents so happy. And it's great to because my parents, listen, they're not the most tech savvy. So they're probably not seeing this. So I can see it, say whatever I want. But you know, my parents are there at that age where, you know, I didn't see them for a year because of the same cause. Yeah. And so they got vaccinated, and I saw them. And man, after not seeing my parents for a year, they looked really old when I saw them, you know, I know that's a it's like, oh, god, this is I mean, I know, we talked about parts you can cut out of the podcast. I mean, I'm kidding. But I'm not. But like, you know, when you see like a puppy or a child, and you don't see them for a little bit, you're like, look how big you are. It's like when I didn't see my parents for a year. And it's been a hard overly. It's been a hard year. It's like, man, I like I went out with my dad the other day. And this is such a nightmare that I'm not even saying this. But like he like he has like the old person walk a little bit now. Oh, God kill me now. But it's just tough. You know, your parents. As we get older, our dads get older, and I'm just so grateful to have them and they have all their grandkids and yes, they're very happy. Yeah, I'm sorry. Again, much like my tic Tock story of my daughter. A lot of these stories don't have endings and I want to apologize to not only both of you, but to your
Mindy Cohn 24:56
audience as well. This is this is like a conversation. That's awesome. This is beginning, middle and end. You can't do it wrong. There's no such thing. There's no such thing. So I just want to ask you just creatives to creative that. I know for me, it's been a really tough year. And part of the reason we started this podcast was that I could connect to other creatives because like, I know, I get inspired. It's aspirational as well to talk to other people and what is kind of kept you going in creative process however you define it during this time. Have you been doing anything special? Different? Same? You know, I?
I wrote a little bit I have written I wrote your screenplay. Yes. Correct. first daughter, starring Katie Holmes. Yeah. I was about to say rented at your local blockbuster. He incorrect. You know, we the only one, you'd have to go to Oregon. That's the old there's only one black said Bend, Oregon. You can stream it. Although we'll have it in the show notes. But it's funny, I found a I was in stand by me as a kid. And that was based on a Stephen King short story. So I've always been a fan of sort of Stephen King, especially short stories or novellas that come out that Stephen King writes, yes, I found one. I adapted it into a screenplay and it was just sort of like something I did. It's like a goo. Because there was so much sitting around. Yeah. I did send it to a producer. I have not heard back from that producer. It's been a couple of months. That's what I did. So yeah, again, a story with no ending. Sorry, everybody. Sorry.
Mindy Cohn 26:38
No. Stop apologizing, Jerry, I'm gonna come through that screaming duck. Yeah.
But you know, I'm my wife. My wife is currently in, in Star Trek. And she has a pretty big role in Star Trek and does a lot of stuff. Yeah. You know, I run a lot of lines with her, you know, in this new pandemic COVID onset life or filming. I've only worked once during this pandemic, but it's a lot of like, not being with the other cast members. Yeah. And then coming to set when it's your time, you know, I mean, yeah, you know, this Monday, like, rehearsal time running lines, it's so important. Yeah, especially
Mindy Cohn 27:22
these because no longer an option.
It's no longer an option. It's sort of like, okay, we're all going to be separate, we're going to assume, like zooming read throughs and stuff, it's just not the same as like being in the room. So there's very little rehearsal time for my wife. So I run lines with her a lot. Awesome. And because my wife is in Toronto, we do it over the phone, or over FaceTime. And I find a lot of satisfaction in just giving doing work with her. Yeah. But also it's, well, it's sort of fun, too, because you're really Louis's an actor when you are not really there, and you have nothing to lose. And so you go, you're really brave. Why don't you try this? Yeah, my wife is like, I can't try that. I'm like, why can't you try it? And my wife was like, because it's ridiculous. And I was like, we'll just do it. And then it's so satisfying to talk to my wife later that day, and go, how it's worked today. And my wife go, Oh, my God. I did that thing in a tape. And they went crazy for it. And that's like, it's like really satisfying. Oh, that's gold.
Mindy Cohn 28:32
That is gold. 100% when New York opens up, I'm not asking you this. It's curiosity. Just because I I have friends who are also in made run art. Is there a plan for you guys in fall or winter to go back and finish quote, unquote, the run of soldiers play?
So soldiers play for those listening was a play I was doing that was running during the pandemic, and it closed as did everything else. As if the world. Yeah, I don't think at this time there is I just
Mindy Cohn 29:01
Yeah, no, I was just curious whether it was one of the ones coming back.
I haven't heard anything. You know, it's a pretty big cast. I think there was 12 of us. So I mean, to get all of us, you know, it's, we just got to see what happens with Broadway. You know, I mean, I do I, you know, it's, it's so funny. I went to a Dodgers game last week, and
Mindy Cohn 29:22
Okay, seriously, did you, you?
How was it? It was great. Listen, I am fully bakst I should say first of all,
Mindy Cohn 29:30
secondly, but still, you didn't you were good.
I was very good. I wore a mask. I mean, they allowed 10,000 people in there, but they operate a 25% capacity. And I don't think Broadway can operate a 25% capacity on Broadway. Yeah, Broadway needs to be I think at a minimum, and I'm not a producer, but I think it's 80% capacity is what they need to make it so they got to wait till then. I don't think right
Mindy Cohn 30:01
now. It's really gonna be New Yorkers who support that first year, there's not going to have an influx of persona.
By the way, let me just say about the Dodger game going there. I felt very safe going there. There was a lot of separation with other people. Okay, good, very well run situation. Listen, at first it was very scary being around 10,000 other people, people. I've been around in since March, you know, of last year, but I felt very safe. I was really glad that I went It was really like, Okay, all right.
Mindy Cohn 30:33
I'm so glad to hear that. Okay, good. I'm Mr. O'Connell. You are a rock star. You are well, thanks. I'll take it. But you really are and Christian and I so appreciate you taking the time and coming on an episode. I am such a fan of you professionally and what I know from you, personally, I just don't much you have no idea. I love you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much, my friend. Yeah, no
worries. I'm sorry. Again that all the stories none of the endings I really I want to apologize to everybody I need to work on my work on my panel work on my Oh, please go my punch line.
Mindy Cohn 31:15
You another channeling granny rose, you were a delight.
Christian Brescia 31:19
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